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explore the bazaars are your e-ticket

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ride into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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NASA night

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now your electrifying hosts of exploring

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the bizarre Timothy Beckley and Tim

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oh how much is that doggy in the window

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the one with the waggly tail how much is

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that doggy in the window

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I do hope that doggies for sale I don't

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one up on Eeyore a kitty I don't want a

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parrot that talks I don't want a ball of

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little fish bees he can't take a

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goldfish for a walk oh what's gotten

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into you this evening I didn't know that

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you were such a pet lover yeah see

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there's a Tim there's a lot you don't

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know about me I want to read card eight

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as a dog so people will pet me and I can

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do other things to other people that I

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don't particularly like I can pretend

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they're a fire hydrant and just think I

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wouldn't have to work I could just sit

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around a little day and sleep and I

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certainly would win Best Inn Yeow oh

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well speaking of shows this is a perfect

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open for tonight really a tail wagging

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program well Tim we've got two fantastic

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guests and we are going to talking about

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well psychic communication with

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animals and pets not only a living but

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those who are passed on as well I

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imagine that we'll talk a little bit

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about communication with humans that

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have passed on as as well but I think

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that everyone's interested in wanting to

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know what you know you're a little fur

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babies or are thinking or or maybe with

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some people they they don't want to know

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what their fur babies are are thinking

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about them well you know I I did have

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alley cats Persian cats there was alert

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allergic to the hair after a while

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anyway we had one great cat whose name

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was Nikki and the cat you know cats

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don't live forever and anyway Nikki

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passed the way yeah I must have been

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pretty young maybe eight or nine years

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old anyway one day I was upstairs in the

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apartment above where I live with my

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parents my grandmother and grandfather

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lived upstairs and I hear the like a

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ball rolling on the floor and and and

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there is this the cat except the cat was

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deceased the high I mean it had passed

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away a couple of years before and he

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think that cats are just wonderful I

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believe that we can talk to them and

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people say that you know like a dog or a

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animals can well I guess some animals do

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behavior of their their owners and and I

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a human hmm strange but there you go you

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a little bit more detail sure well our

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guest tonight and and and I'm just so

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grateful that we were able to line them

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up we have Karen Anderson and Jun

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Lundgren now Karen Karen Anderson is a

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number one best-selling and

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international award-winning author an

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award-winning animal communicator and

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psychic medium and has been

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professionally communicating with pets

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and departed human spirits for over 20

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years

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her amazingly accurate psychic abilities

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earned the prestigious first-place award

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for the 2013 Readers Choice Award for

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best animal communicator and the second

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place award the prior year now Karen

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discovered her special gift as a child

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and her abilities developed over the

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years and became particularly

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significant when she was a deputy

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it was during a police investigation

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that she realized that animals could

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provide accurate and detailed

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information on crime scenes I guess

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that's where the term stool pigeon came

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from combining her law enforcement

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background with her psychic abilities

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Karen now works closely with law

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enforcement agencies

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solve cold cases and missing-person

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cases bringing closure to victims and

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their families McCarran has written two

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books the best-selling and international

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award-winning the amazing afterlife of

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animals and the best-selling book here

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all creatures so she's also collaborated

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with let's see what it says leading

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psychologist dr. Patricia Carrington for

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her book the secret in her life of pets

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and as a co-author for amazing

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paranormal encounters of volume 2 with

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us as well tonight is June Lundgren now

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June is a psychic medium animal

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communicator healer professional nurse

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demon seer and international author she

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comes from a long line of psychic women

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mentored by her maternal grandmother

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June learned at an early age how to use

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her gifts of mediumship ability to see

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negative entities and to look into the

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future to help others as a psychic

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medium June communicates with those who

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have died in angels to find answers and

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peace of mind for the living she has

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talked animals since she was a child in

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2009 she wrote her first public book

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published book to let people know that

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God does hear our prayers but that what

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they want is not necessarily what we

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need

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the result was her first book a medium

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which guide to the paranormal since then

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she's written three other paranormal

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base books paranormal encounters book 1

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and 2 the dark side of the paranormal

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a paranormal romance called out of time

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and then two children's books petals

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golden wings and Suzi's they adventure

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she has a new fantasy series entitled

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demon seekers the journey begins like

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the title of that one oh are we done

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June is also the co-founder of ghosts

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and girls paranormal as well as a member

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of the Northwest paranormal

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investigative team so June Karen thank

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you very much for being with us tonight

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on exploring the bizarre well thanks

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that was a great intro kind of long

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suitors to to know what they're getting

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starts so let's let's start with with

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Karen here now Karen I understand that

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and like Jim that you you realize that a

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pretty young aides that that that

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animals aren't just dumb creatures you

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just relying solely on instinct that

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there's a little more going on in their

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little leathery heads oh yeah in fact

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the earliest memories I have my closest

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friends were animals when I was a little

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kid in fact I could understand them and

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thought everyone could I didn't know

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that it was doing I was doing something

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different or unique I just thought

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everyone could hear their thoughts like

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I did so yeah it goes way back that my

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but as a small child I would know things

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about them that I shouldn't have known

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now did and I assess of a lot of people

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who are on our show was there anybody

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else in your family that that that had

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psychic abilities I mean a mother

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grandparent somebody like that they do

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but they're afraid of it so surfing

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their skills they still my mom doesn't

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quite know what to do with it sometimes

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and even my grandmother but nobody

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really uses their abilities the way that

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an amazing afterlife of animals where

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you were talking about how you first got

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into law enforcement and and and how you

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were assistant actually by animals

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several cases you want to tell us about

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that well okay let me back to her a

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little bit it started I think you were

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saying that that you had a cat that had

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a urinary tract a problem that told you

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to snowball is when I was a police

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officer because I worked in a mountain

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district and right out of the Academy

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they put me on the night shift and I

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also worked alone or the nearest backup

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car was sometimes a half an hour or more

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away so I was responding to all these

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different calls for help by myself so it

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pay attention to that little voice in

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the back of my head and my psychic

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ability started to get heightened and

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sharpened because just for my own

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personal safety and so during that time

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as a police officer that's when

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everything started to kick in again and

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and yes it was one of my own cats that I

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got the first message from where I heard

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it very clearly in my head and it was an

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urgent message because he was having a

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medical emergency I thought I was

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literally crazy I thought I was hearing

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things that I was hearing voices looking

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around the room to see who said it but

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it was in my own voice in my own head so

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that was kind of a weird experience and

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then what happened after that is once I

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realized what was going on I realized

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that animals on crime scenes could give

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me information and and they often could

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tell me what happened even before I got

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on scene or who a perpetrator was so

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yeah they became a wealth of information

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I can think of so many cases that that

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could probably be solved if more people

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had that ability to listen to what

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animals say when there is no you know

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human survivors or witnesses now you

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know when you in in some of these cases

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that the two are investigating you know

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heard the animals voices in your head

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and a lot of times they'll say that that

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animals tend not to communicate in words

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but there tend to be more visually

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oriented but you know you your

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impressions almost is that you know

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to have a very very good psychic ear

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which is an inner ear and so I'm

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clairaudience

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so I will hear voices it's actually my

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voice it's usually my voice but yes the

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animals can also send images they can

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send you a feeling or an emotion and

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some of them are really good at sending

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all of those and some of them are only

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good at sending messages one way one

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particular way just depends they're all

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different just like you know humans are

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all different they all have different

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abilities what I'm gonna ask here have

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you ever tried to bring this up in an

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actual court case of course not you know

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I kept it to myself when I was on a

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department I would have been the

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laughingstock of of the Sheriff's

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Department so no I mean that's not going

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to hold up in court but I'll tell you

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what that's what that's what that's what

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I would I would think is there any way

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of getting around that though I mean can

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you bring out the infirm well you would

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have to verify the information in some

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other way right right and and no nothing

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was ever brought up in court I mean that

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was that's you know something for maybe

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for the movies but not in real life

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but no they were able to give me

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information who the perpetrator was on a

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domestic violence case a resident that

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could tell me who the aggressor was

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before I even arrived on scene they were

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witness to what happened and they could

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tell me what happened it could show me

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what happened

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I had a resident cat at a crime scene of

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a case of domestic violence tell me

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where the perpetrator was hiding he had

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fled on foot

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and I was out taking a statement from

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the victim and her cat came out of the

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house and went right over to his shed

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looked right at me and said inside now

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this was a shed that had already been

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searched and somehow he snuck in there

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when nobody was paying attention or

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nobody saw him so he was hiding right

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there right where we were standing and

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the cat told me that he was inside the

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shed so you know there's information

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that they can share in in the way that

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they're capable of sending information

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and some of that is limiting I've had

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had to tell me we're a lost boy was in

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the National Forest told me which

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direction he went and those types of

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things happen and and that's what I was

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able to it blew my mind when it first

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started happening I was like oh my gosh

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this is crazy but why not I just never

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told anyone that my confidential

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informants had four legs and a tail now

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can you tell okay obviously all all

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animals that cannot do this but you work

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mainly with the dogs and cats or other

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animals as well

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well I'm primarily I work with people's

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pets so cats and dogs horses there's a

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few birds mixed in there but I can

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communicate with all animals as you know

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June we'll be able to chime in on me

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with me there too that any animal can

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communicate with us in various different

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ways it doesn't have to be a pet you can

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also communicate with wild animals but

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the majority of my work is scared around

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people's pets mm-hmm and is there any

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type of animal would you say that's more

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intelligent and the other in other words

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are you more likely to get the

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information that can be validated out of

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a horse as opposed to a cat or a dog

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well I'll explain it this way within

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every species so within the dog group

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that group horses whales dolphins

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everything across the board within that

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group just like with humans you're going

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to have some that are

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super intelligent very communicative

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you're going to have some that aren't

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and the majority of them fall right in

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the middle can you take or think of one

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specific case of what of an animal

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communicating with you or something

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you know panned out later on well yeah I

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have a lot of those that panned out one

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that jumps into my head that's really

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incredible is I had a cold case that I

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was working on and there were two cats

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that were in the apartment when the

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victim was abducted and he had been

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missing for approximately three years

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and of course he was assumed dead but

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there was no body so there were no leads

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there were no suspects and the case had

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gone cold and my client contacted me to

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see if the cats could share any

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information after she heard about my

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work and what I did and the cats

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actually one of the cats gave me the

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initials which I didn't know ahead of

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time the initials of the prime suspect

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now the problem there was they didn't

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have enough evidence to make an arrest

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but without knowing anything about the

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case I was able to give my client

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confirmation of what they suspected as

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to who actually killed her brother and

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that to me is amazing so when I work

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with law enforcement

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you know they any information is good

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information and if it helps to close a

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case if it helps bring closure to the

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victims and their families you know most

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people are open to that do they all want

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to work with psychics no but a lot of

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law enforcement agencies are now working

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with psychics I tend to have more

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credibility because I'm an ex-cop so

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they know that when they're talking to

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me they're not talking to you know just

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the average psychic that I actually have

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a law enforcement background and so that

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carries some credibility so when I do

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work with law enforcement agencies

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that truly helps and and there truly

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it's the tide is turning more and more

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agencies are open to working with

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psychics because why not would you

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rather have no information about a case

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or would you rather have some

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information and possibly really good

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information well how do how do people

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approach you I mean how do they hear

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that your services are available I mean

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is the kind of like word of mouth or

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well most of my work now is generated

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from people have read my book my books

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the amazing afterlife of animals and

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here all creatures so that's where the

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majority of my clients find me is

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through that work but you know I've been

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around for a long time I've been doing

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this now for over 20 years so I've

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established quite a reputation for

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myself and I get a lot of referral

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business too so I'd say it's probably

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about half and half right now half

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referral business and half through my my

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book so now when it you talked about the

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cooperation that you do at times with

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various police agencies I know that you

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know for my own experience that a lot of

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cops I mean they they tend to at least

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publicly look down their nose at

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psychics yet a lot of them admit that

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they have their own abilities you know

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like work out the blue sets and then you

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know if they can't work it out they'll

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they'll bring in a psychic but they'll

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they'll keep it quiet keep it on the

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down-low so to speak but I mean do you

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do you find that a lot of agencies you

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know will bring you in but ask you to be

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discreet about it oh absolutely they

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they work very privately the information

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is all confidential and

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you know once you confirm and validate

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information on a case that they know

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that there's no possible way you could

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know it you know the mood changes real

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quickly so they go from maybe having

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half-closed ears to now their ears are

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you know ninety percent open to hearing

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what you have to say and I'm actually

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working a local case right now there's a

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gentleman that's been missing in my area

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where I live for over a year now and his

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two dogs were on the scene when he was

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abducted the problem is is that the dogs

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are left behind so they can tell me who

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the perpetrators what they look like

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they can tell me details about

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perpetrators how many were their

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descriptions of the vehicle they can

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tell me those sort of things but we're

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still searching for the body mmm okay

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well unfortunately we have to go to our

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bottom of the hour break here so when we

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come back we'll continue our

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conversation with Karen Anderson and Jun

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Lundgren on exploring the bizarre so

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now back to exploring the bazaar with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy

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Rebecca Lee and tastes all right welcome

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back to the second segment of exploring

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the Bazaar tonight we're talking with

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Karen Anderson and Jun Lundgren we're

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talking about pets animal communication

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due to our beloved cats and dogs and

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horses we do they do they think do they

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have minds of the road do they continue

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on after they they pass away and so

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Karen I suppose we'll get a little you

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know esoteric here and talk about you

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know for a millennia

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you know people had the conceit that we

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were the only ones who could who could

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think or really even had a soul and and

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and could exist on words yet I know a

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lot of animal communicators say that not

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only do do our pets and animals have

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minds of their own but they don't just

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they don't just disappear when they they

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pass away that they they continue on

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afterwards so I mean have you found that

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to be true

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absolutely I've written a whole book

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about messages from the afterlife and

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what animals talk about as they're

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approaching the end of their life and

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even sharing their insights about

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euthanasia and cremation and burial and

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what they think of what we do with their

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remains and know the soul continues on

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it there's so much more out there than

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we've even scratched the surface on and

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why why would animals have a better

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inside track on that kind of information

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than people do or you know people just

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have a tendency to be just to be

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closed-minded about things like that I

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don't know that they have more of an

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inside track but they can share their

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personal experience I know a lot of

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people that have pets that are listening

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or probably you know wondering how pets

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feel about things like euthanasia and

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and how an animal feels about the end of

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their life and having to make that

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horrible decision and you know those are

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some really difficult times to go

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through when you have to say goodbye to

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a beloved pet and there's you know this

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is like a part of the family that you're

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saying goodbye to so knowing what's

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going on with your pet and knowing how

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they feel knowing if they're ready to go

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or if they're okay if they still want to

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stay here and and hang out with you a

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little bit more those are all reasons

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why clients contact me and and mainly

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just to see if there's anything more

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they can do for their pets to make them

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more comfortable and also once they've

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passed on they want to make sure that

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they're okay and find out who they're

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with or see who greeted them when they

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made it to the other side there's

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there's all kinds of different reasons

547
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:25,370
why people would want to see how their

548
00:27:30,430 --> 00:27:27,200
pets are and check in with them even

549
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:30,440
after they've passed on now do what do

550
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:33,440
pets go to a different place than a

551
00:27:42,610 --> 00:27:39,890
human spirit would theirs in my

552
00:27:44,830 --> 00:27:42,620
experience the departed's

553
00:27:47,230 --> 00:27:44,840
and the part of human loved ones can

554
00:27:50,409 --> 00:27:47,240
come through together and what I call

555
00:27:53,049 --> 00:27:50,419
soul group or a family soul group so

556
00:27:54,820 --> 00:27:53,059
everybody that you're connected to for

557
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:54,830
instance your family your loved ones

558
00:27:59,409 --> 00:27:56,960
your friends co-workers even next-door

559
00:28:01,330 --> 00:27:59,419
neighbors they would be in your soul

560
00:28:03,789 --> 00:28:01,340
group because you're connected to them

561
00:28:05,770 --> 00:28:03,799
so when I have a session and I open up

562
00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:05,780
the space I basically open up a door

563
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:08,630
window a portal for the animals to come

564
00:28:12,460 --> 00:28:10,610
through and they can also bring through

565
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:12,470
with them anybody in your soul group

566
00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:15,440
it's usually your close family members

567
00:28:19,940 --> 00:28:18,110
but we have had other people pop in to

568
00:28:24,289 --> 00:28:19,950
that aren't necessarily

569
00:28:25,930 --> 00:28:24,299
related by blood and and and I wouldn't

570
00:28:29,779 --> 00:28:25,940
say that they go to a different place

571
00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:29,789
they can come through together during a

572
00:28:35,210 --> 00:28:32,220
session and there are very various

573
00:28:37,070 --> 00:28:35,220
different levels on the other side so

574
00:28:40,820 --> 00:28:37,080
there isn't just one like after life

575
00:28:42,769 --> 00:28:40,830
there's various different levels and for

576
00:28:48,259 --> 00:28:42,779
humans too and humans can be on

577
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,269
different levels so it just depends on

578
00:28:54,019 --> 00:28:50,159
what level that their soul has

579
00:28:56,269 --> 00:28:54,029
progressed how highly they vibrate as an

580
00:29:00,409 --> 00:28:56,279
energetic being and where they are on

581
00:29:02,509 --> 00:29:00,419
their journey but they definitely do

582
00:29:04,669 --> 00:29:02,519
they definitely can come back now would

583
00:29:08,779 --> 00:29:04,679
they come back as the same animal or

584
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:08,789
would they return as some other pet you

585
00:29:12,820 --> 00:29:11,510
mean we even has really reincarnated

586
00:29:15,529 --> 00:29:12,830
mm-hmm

587
00:29:18,409 --> 00:29:15,539
well generally speaking and just for the

588
00:29:21,860 --> 00:29:18,419
sake of the show I'll speak in general

589
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:21,870
terms most of the time dogs return as

590
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:24,480
dogs cats return as cats people return

591
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:27,600
as people so on and so forth but I have

592
00:29:33,940 --> 00:29:31,919
seen other cases where they have changed

593
00:29:38,019 --> 00:29:33,950
back and forth or if it's in that

594
00:29:41,210 --> 00:29:38,029
particular sole highest and best

595
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:41,220
interest to return in some other form

596
00:29:47,509 --> 00:29:44,850
then I have had cases like that happen

597
00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:47,519
but the majority of the time it's

598
00:29:54,350 --> 00:29:52,169
usually how they were last here you know

599
00:29:58,340 --> 00:29:54,360
I've always I've always said that I want

600
00:30:07,070 --> 00:29:58,350
to I want to be reincarnated as one of

601
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:07,080
my house cats maybe not I said yeah yeah

602
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:08,880
Thursday not you know not necessarily

603
00:30:15,259 --> 00:30:11,970
just any cat but one of the one of the

604
00:30:18,940 --> 00:30:15,269
cats that we've taken care of over the

605
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:18,950
others because they are so spoiled and

606
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:24,960
and hopefully so happy yeah they will

607
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:28,080
often come back to us more than one time

608
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:31,110
in a lifetime and not every animal comes

609
00:30:35,780 --> 00:30:32,370
back it depends on

610
00:30:37,130 --> 00:30:35,790
Souls progression and and again what's

611
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:37,140
in the highest and best interest for

612
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:40,410
each particular pet but they can come

613
00:30:44,780 --> 00:30:42,690
back to us more than once in our

614
00:30:47,270 --> 00:30:44,790
lifetime and they're usually with us

615
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:47,280
like the one telling if you guys have

616
00:30:51,650 --> 00:30:49,650
pets at home there's always that one pet

617
00:30:53,299 --> 00:30:51,660
that you just love more than anything

618
00:30:56,060 --> 00:30:53,309
you love your other pets but there's

619
00:30:58,340 --> 00:30:56,070
just one you just are so closely

620
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:58,350
connected to and you just can't quite

621
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:01,200
describe it there's just this sense of

622
00:31:06,169 --> 00:31:04,320
being somehow you know connected on a

623
00:31:08,780 --> 00:31:06,179
soul level well there's a reason for

624
00:31:10,790 --> 00:31:08,790
that and the reason is and my experience

625
00:31:14,030 --> 00:31:10,800
I have found that the more times that we

626
00:31:16,370 --> 00:31:14,040
have reincarnated together the longer

627
00:31:18,980 --> 00:31:16,380
past life history that we have with the

628
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:18,990
pet the closer we're going to feel to

629
00:31:23,930 --> 00:31:21,570
them in this lifetime so we're not

630
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:23,940
really playing favorites per se because

631
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:26,010
we're just honoring our soul contracts

632
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:29,610
from the past we're just really we know

633
00:31:33,650 --> 00:31:31,170
each other better because we've been

634
00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:33,660
together in more incarnations than the

635
00:31:37,940 --> 00:31:35,880
pets that we aren't as closely connected

636
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:37,950
to but that's why that's why there's

637
00:31:42,020 --> 00:31:39,600
always that one pet that it's just like

638
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:42,030
oh my god I just love him more than

639
00:31:45,410 --> 00:31:43,440
anything we're so connected we're so

640
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:45,420
bonded well there's a reason for that

641
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:47,610
it's the souls remember the soul

642
00:31:55,340 --> 00:31:51,050
recognition is there going back in time

643
00:31:58,220 --> 00:31:55,350
you know we were kind of a ahead of the

644
00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:58,230
curve on this because years ago we we

645
00:32:02,900 --> 00:31:59,840
published a book which is still

646
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:02,910
available I believe it's called a [\h__\h]

647
00:32:10,669 --> 00:32:07,890
willow which is the I was gonna say

648
00:32:14,270 --> 00:32:10,679
written but it was telepathically it

649
00:32:18,669 --> 00:32:14,280
communicated to our a good different the

650
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:18,679
late T lumps in grappa yeah I think

651
00:32:24,380 --> 00:32:21,450
didn't [\h__\h] willow come out originally

652
00:32:28,490 --> 00:32:24,390
like in the my dear yeah middle late

653
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:28,500
1960s well well it's it's it's been out

654
00:32:33,770 --> 00:32:29,970
there for a while now there's a couple

655
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:33,780
of books there was some his his wife his

656
00:32:39,820 --> 00:32:36,090
name I can't remember offhand but she

657
00:32:42,770 --> 00:32:39,830
also communicated a book but he had one

658
00:32:44,930 --> 00:32:42,780
what was it a Siamese cat I think right

659
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:44,940
yes that would have been [\h__\h] willow

660
00:32:49,820 --> 00:32:46,250
that

661
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:49,830
followed the wrapper around and was very

662
00:32:55,220 --> 00:32:51,120
opinionated

663
00:32:58,550 --> 00:32:55,230
if I remember correctly right I mean I

664
00:33:03,170 --> 00:32:58,560
know I I'm sure he loved his owner but

665
00:33:06,290 --> 00:33:03,180
he wasn't beyond having a few words or

666
00:33:11,210 --> 00:33:06,300
two to describe perhaps some of our

667
00:33:16,370 --> 00:33:11,220
oppas failings I think that's just like

668
00:33:19,490 --> 00:33:16,380
a lot of Siamese cats in general well

669
00:33:21,860 --> 00:33:19,500
what would you say if animals have

670
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:21,870
different dispositions according to

671
00:33:29,660 --> 00:33:26,850
their breed that you know a breed comes

672
00:33:34,370 --> 00:33:29,670
into it how they were raised and there's

673
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:34,380
so much that goes into it well and that

674
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,170
you know that that also it makes me

675
00:33:42,290 --> 00:33:39,360
think you know we're talking about you

676
00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:42,300
know animals and and and people and and

677
00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:50,590
we have these you know a delineation of

678
00:34:01,070 --> 00:33:56,940
species but after that I mean or maybe

679
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:01,080
even before consciousness is

680
00:34:11,870 --> 00:34:05,610
consciousness I you know I I think and I

681
00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:11,880
just I I wonder afterwards when we don't

682
00:34:19,700 --> 00:34:16,110
have our physical bodies are we still

683
00:34:21,980 --> 00:34:19,710
perceiving each other by those physical

684
00:34:23,660 --> 00:34:21,990
characteristics oh well this is you know

685
00:34:26,930 --> 00:34:23,670
this is uncle George he was a human oh

686
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:26,940
well there's fluffy she was a cat or you

687
00:34:32,030 --> 00:34:29,760
know is there a point where we get past

688
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:32,040
all of that and we're just we're just

689
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:36,000
consciousness I think there's all

690
00:34:39,710 --> 00:34:37,650
different levels of consciousness I I

691
00:34:41,210 --> 00:34:39,720
know many of the pets I communicate with

692
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:41,220
are a lot smarter than some of the

693
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:44,490
humans I've had to deal with so you know

694
00:34:48,530 --> 00:34:45,930
you you're really talking about

695
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:48,540
something that is so unique and

696
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:51,440
different to every individual soul and

697
00:34:57,770 --> 00:34:54,810
certainly anyone who has a pet and loves

698
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:57,780
a pet knows that there's something there

699
00:35:02,339 --> 00:34:59,440
that goes beyond the spoken word

700
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:02,349
goes beyond intelligence it's it's

701
00:35:07,230 --> 00:35:05,710
deeper than that and and there's there's

702
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:07,240
something very special about the

703
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,690
human-animal bond and why our pets are

704
00:35:14,490 --> 00:35:12,640
with us they're here to help us learn

705
00:35:16,530 --> 00:35:14,500
lessons here on earth they're here to

706
00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:16,540
teach us things to expand our mind to

707
00:35:22,260 --> 00:35:18,910
expand our consciousness so I think

708
00:35:24,089 --> 00:35:22,270
there's just so much involved with it it

709
00:35:26,970 --> 00:35:24,099
doesn't just come down to a level of

710
00:35:29,339 --> 00:35:26,980
consciousness you know any living thing

711
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:29,349
has some kind some level of

712
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:30,490
consciousness but we're talking about

713
00:35:35,730 --> 00:35:32,530
our babies our pets the ones that we

714
00:35:38,099 --> 00:35:35,740
spend our our lives with sometimes we

715
00:35:40,140 --> 00:35:38,109
have pets longer than we have a spouse

716
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:40,150
you know they last longer than marriages

717
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:43,210
and we love them more deeply than some

718
00:35:48,290 --> 00:35:45,490
of our human relationships so you know

719
00:35:51,780 --> 00:35:48,300
that's the work that I do is is to bring

720
00:35:54,450 --> 00:35:51,790
together and celebrate that connection

721
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:54,460
and by bringing through the animals

722
00:36:00,210 --> 00:35:58,240
messages it raises the connection

723
00:36:01,829 --> 00:36:00,220
between the person and their pet and it

724
00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:01,839
helps them understand each other better

725
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:03,910
it gives them insight to what's going on

726
00:36:08,609 --> 00:36:05,650
in their life and even on the afterlife

727
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:08,619
it's it's truly just getting to know

728
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:10,240
them better and getting to know them on

729
00:36:18,780 --> 00:36:14,010
a much higher and more spiritual level

730
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:18,790
yeah I fully expect you know when when

731
00:36:25,530 --> 00:36:22,569
my time comes to you know to to leave

732
00:36:28,650 --> 00:36:25,540
that you know the the mortal a plane

733
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:28,660
that not only will there be you know

734
00:36:35,069 --> 00:36:32,560
some of my relatives hopefully waiting

735
00:36:40,260 --> 00:36:35,079
to assist me on the other side but also

736
00:36:43,290 --> 00:36:40,270
probably a lot of my favorite cats from

737
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:43,300
and and if that's the case then there's

738
00:36:48,930 --> 00:36:46,210
going to be a whole roomful more than a

739
00:36:53,090 --> 00:36:48,940
roof or hallway full all the cats that

740
00:36:59,090 --> 00:36:53,100
I've had over the years loved waiting to

741
00:37:01,040 --> 00:36:59,100
to take me to that great beyond it'll be

742
00:37:04,340 --> 00:37:01,050
kind of like that Verizon commercial

743
00:37:09,950 --> 00:37:04,350
where that that whole group of cats is

744
00:37:13,730 --> 00:37:09,960
following that's that's that's me well

745
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:13,740
and is as you know and as Tim knows you

746
00:37:18,830 --> 00:37:17,280
know I've I'm somewhat of a cat

747
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:18,840
whisperer

748
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:24,170
there's hasn't been very often that I

749
00:37:30,110 --> 00:37:27,090
will not be able to make a make friends

750
00:37:33,350 --> 00:37:30,120
with a cat even even feral cats or very

751
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:33,360
you know like a loof house cats and and

752
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,890
I don't do anything all's I have to do

753
00:37:39,020 --> 00:37:36,480
is this you know go to a room and sit

754
00:37:44,990 --> 00:37:39,030
down and and and pretty soon though they

755
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:45,000
will come to me and I suppose my next

756
00:37:54,380 --> 00:37:49,890
question would be the the difference

757
00:37:59,630 --> 00:37:54,390
between our domestic pets and say like

758
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:59,640
like wild animals because at one time it

759
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:01,440
was just what you know us and wild

760
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:05,090
animals I mean what any idea what that

761
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:10,170
schism was that occurred that that then

762
00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:12,330
created that special relationship

763
00:38:18,650 --> 00:38:15,510
between humans and what later would be

764
00:38:24,110 --> 00:38:18,660
known as domestic pets domestic animals

765
00:38:26,750 --> 00:38:24,120
say well I think for in my experience

766
00:38:29,330 --> 00:38:26,760
that I would relate that to you know the

767
00:38:33,290 --> 00:38:29,340
dogs served us some form of protection

768
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:33,300
you know back when mankind was bonding

769
00:38:38,750 --> 00:38:35,610
with them and mankind offered them food

770
00:38:40,820 --> 00:38:38,760
and shelter and you know they they work

771
00:38:42,620 --> 00:38:40,830
together there was something in it for

772
00:38:44,060 --> 00:38:42,630
both of them so that's probably why they

773
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:44,070
were brought together and then the

774
00:38:49,550 --> 00:38:46,050
relationships started to form the bond

775
00:38:51,110 --> 00:38:49,560
started to form and look what horses

776
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:51,120
have been throughout history you know

777
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:54,090
horses now are just recreational for the

778
00:38:57,500 --> 00:38:55,770
most part but look at it horses in

779
00:39:00,080 --> 00:38:57,510
history what they have done for humans

780
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,090
and how how long incredible the bonds

781
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:02,400
are between horse and rider going went

782
00:39:06,650 --> 00:39:03,810
way back in time

783
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:06,660
you know eons back in time so you know

784
00:39:12,380 --> 00:39:09,810
these relationships form over need and

785
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:12,390
necessity and certainly when horses were

786
00:39:20,330 --> 00:39:16,130
in the workforce and had jobs and had

787
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,340
fields to plow and and carts to pull and

788
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:22,800
now you know we have these bonds that we

789
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:26,160
form with the pets that we have in our

790
00:39:30,050 --> 00:39:27,690
lives right now

791
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:30,060
we love the relationship we love the

792
00:39:35,090 --> 00:39:31,890
connection we love having that closeness

793
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:35,100
with an animal and and having that place

794
00:39:39,980 --> 00:39:37,650
in our heart with them that nobody else

795
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:39,990
comes close to I know personally

796
00:39:45,470 --> 00:39:42,930
speaking I've had pets in my life that

797
00:39:47,390 --> 00:39:45,480
I've bonded with so closely that you

798
00:39:50,510 --> 00:39:47,400
can't even hold a candle to it in

799
00:39:51,980 --> 00:39:50,520
comparison to a human connection there's

800
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:51,990
just nothing else like it in the world

801
00:39:56,620 --> 00:39:53,810
it's one of the most special and

802
00:40:00,890 --> 00:39:56,630
honorable connections that I've ever

803
00:40:02,660 --> 00:40:00,900
experienced and I know for for me my

804
00:40:04,430 --> 00:40:02,670
life has been so much fuller and so much

805
00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:04,440
richer because of the animals that I

806
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:05,880
have had around me and I'm sure a lot of

807
00:40:10,100 --> 00:40:07,050
people would agree with that

808
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:10,110
they never betray us they never stab us

809
00:40:13,490 --> 00:40:10,560
in the back

810
00:40:15,740 --> 00:40:13,500
they never cheat on us they don't steal

811
00:40:19,580 --> 00:40:15,750
from us I mean they might steal a sock

812
00:40:21,860 --> 00:40:19,590
or two but you know the human animal

813
00:40:23,540 --> 00:40:21,870
there's a lot to be said about the human

814
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:23,550
animal who's really more intelligent

815
00:40:28,670 --> 00:40:25,680
here you know it's truly that in my

816
00:40:31,370 --> 00:40:28,680
opinion animals have incredibly high

817
00:40:33,050 --> 00:40:31,380
intelligence more so than most of the

818
00:40:35,540 --> 00:40:33,060
humans especially being a police officer

819
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:35,550
you got to remember I got to deal with

820
00:40:42,110 --> 00:40:37,290
all the people that nobody else wanted

821
00:40:44,570 --> 00:40:42,120
to deal with and truly the the criminals

822
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:44,580
of the world so when you compare the

823
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:46,560
intelligence of an animal versus that of

824
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:50,490
a human yeah I'm a little bit jaded as

825
00:40:56,330 --> 00:40:53,570
to what I have experienced

826
00:40:58,490 --> 00:40:56,340
you know Tim when we come back from our

827
00:41:00,050 --> 00:40:58,500
next break I want you to tell the

828
00:41:03,590 --> 00:41:00,060
audience about what you're working on

829
00:41:08,810 --> 00:41:03,600
now the the book about the talking

830
00:41:11,660 --> 00:41:08,820
animal mm-hmm yep yeah Wallace we'll

831
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,670
save that for the next segment of the

832
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:13,200
program because it is it is a

833
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:14,850
fascinating program

834
00:41:19,350 --> 00:41:16,720
[Music]

835
00:41:24,030 --> 00:41:19,360
No you know I wonder they ask now you've

836
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:24,040
been working it says with a psychologist

837
00:41:30,270 --> 00:41:28,330
dr. Patricia Carrington and in what in

838
00:41:32,970 --> 00:41:30,280
what respect I mean how the how did the

839
00:41:35,130 --> 00:41:32,980
two of you work together well she

840
00:41:39,180 --> 00:41:35,140
actually found me because she wanted to

841
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:39,190
have a session with her her cat who was

842
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:43,210
in his last few months of life and she

843
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:44,890
was really concerned about him and I

844
00:41:48,810 --> 00:41:46,690
didn't know what she did for a living

845
00:41:51,660 --> 00:41:48,820
when she scheduled her appointment and

846
00:41:53,940 --> 00:41:51,670
we had this incredible session and and

847
00:41:56,190 --> 00:41:53,950
the cat came through and told me all

848
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:56,200
kinds of things about her and about him

849
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:59,440
and their life together and his favorite

850
00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:00,880
memories and what he needed going

851
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:02,710
forward and she was just so blown away

852
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:06,130
by that and having been in the field of

853
00:42:12,540 --> 00:42:09,010
psychology for the majority of her

854
00:42:16,010 --> 00:42:12,550
career she wanted to combine what she

855
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,020
had learned about human psychology and

856
00:42:21,450 --> 00:42:18,400
especially dealing with things such as

857
00:42:24,030 --> 00:42:21,460
PTSD and how pets can help us break

858
00:42:26,030 --> 00:42:24,040
through some of those barriers and

859
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:26,040
challenges in our life and so she

860
00:42:30,450 --> 00:42:28,570
decided that she wanted to collaborate

861
00:42:32,010 --> 00:42:30,460
on a book with me based on her

862
00:42:33,930 --> 00:42:32,020
experience that she had during the

863
00:42:35,460 --> 00:42:33,940
session it was so profound her session

864
00:42:37,380 --> 00:42:35,470
moved her so much that she wanted to

865
00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:37,390
write a book about it so she did is

866
00:42:47,210 --> 00:42:40,110
called the secret afterlife of pets and

867
00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:47,220
can get all of our books on Amazon when

868
00:42:54,660 --> 00:42:52,110
when a person contacts you and is

869
00:43:03,030 --> 00:42:54,670
looking for information what would you

870
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:03,040
say would be the most common types of

871
00:43:09,530 --> 00:43:04,960
information that they that they are

872
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:14,340
well right now I would say the biggest

873
00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:17,920
concerns are end-of-life questions pain

874
00:43:23,010 --> 00:43:21,400
levels how a pet is feeling if the

875
00:43:25,020 --> 00:43:23,020
treatment they're going through is

876
00:43:27,210 --> 00:43:25,030
working if they want to stay here if

877
00:43:29,130 --> 00:43:27,220
they're ready to leave their body those

878
00:43:29,930 --> 00:43:29,140
are some of the the biggest questions

879
00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:29,940
that I get

880
00:43:35,630 --> 00:43:32,520
and also I get the afterlife questions

881
00:43:38,450 --> 00:43:35,640
are they okay who are they with who

882
00:43:40,670 --> 00:43:38,460
greeted them and in just getting that

883
00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:40,680
validation most of my clients want some

884
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:42,710
kind of validation some kind of proof

885
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:46,079
quote/unquote proof that their animal is

886
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:49,680
is doing well and still connected to

887
00:43:56,660 --> 00:43:53,119
them and that's what I strive very hard

888
00:43:58,490 --> 00:43:56,670
to deliver during a session as I try to

889
00:44:01,819 --> 00:43:58,500
get very detailed information that could

890
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:01,829
only be validated by that person and

891
00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:05,040
their pet and that's my goal is to get

892
00:44:08,059 --> 00:44:06,660
that one message you know it might just

893
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:08,069
be one thing it might be something

894
00:44:11,450 --> 00:44:10,079
really small and insignificant like

895
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:11,460
maybe what you ate for breakfast this

896
00:44:15,530 --> 00:44:13,290
morning or what you're doing tomorrow or

897
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:15,540
a week from Friday it'll be something

898
00:44:19,609 --> 00:44:17,369
very specific but it'll be that one

899
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:19,619
message that no one else in the world

900
00:44:24,170 --> 00:44:21,450
wouldn't know about and that's what I

901
00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:24,180
strive to get for my clients they know

902
00:44:30,109 --> 00:44:28,260
could you okay so you pets tell you

903
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:30,119
things about different crimes and law

904
00:44:44,540 --> 00:44:41,540
you know I wouldn't even think to do

905
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:44,550
that I mean why would I want a pet to be

906
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:48,960
a spy but if you want to if you want to

907
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:51,690
find out something you know find out

908
00:44:55,849 --> 00:44:53,520
something that's going on with an

909
00:45:00,140 --> 00:44:55,859
individual yeah it may be you can't walk

910
00:45:01,700 --> 00:45:00,150
into their house that easy but the the

911
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:01,710
bird could be flying in the window or

912
00:45:07,849 --> 00:45:04,560
the cat could be you know in the front

913
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:07,859
porch or something well I have had

914
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:10,050
clients contact me to find out if their

915
00:45:23,420 --> 00:45:21,359
spouse was cheating on them think about

916
00:45:26,620 --> 00:45:23,430
all right think about this this is a

917
00:45:29,150 --> 00:45:26,630
good one to ponder think about all the

918
00:45:31,059 --> 00:45:29,160
compromising positions that our pets

919
00:45:33,740 --> 00:45:31,069
have seen us in throughout their lives

920
00:45:35,630 --> 00:45:33,750
certainly they would be able to share if

921
00:45:38,210 --> 00:45:35,640
there was someone new or different

922
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:38,220
coming over to the house or spending

923
00:45:43,130 --> 00:45:41,130
time with or our individual smell would

924
00:45:43,970 --> 00:45:43,140
be as an individual smell would be

925
00:45:46,460 --> 00:45:43,980
different than their

926
00:45:48,890 --> 00:45:46,470
owners or something to that well they

927
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,900
they can tell me in much more detail

928
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:50,640
than that they can tell me who's there

929
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:53,760
they can tell me they can yeah you'd be

930
00:45:58,220 --> 00:45:55,890
surprised and shocked and how accurate

931
00:46:01,310 --> 00:45:58,230
the information is that comes through I

932
00:46:03,230 --> 00:46:01,320
mean I don't I don't get lotto numbers

933
00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:03,240
you know that's always everybody always

934
00:46:09,020 --> 00:46:05,369
ask us that oh if you're so I could give

935
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:09,030
us a lot of numbers like that but they

936
00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:11,850
can tell us you know about your medical

937
00:46:17,180 --> 00:46:14,910
issues animals even those that have

938
00:46:19,220 --> 00:46:17,190
passed on will tell me what's going on

939
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:19,230
right now currently with their human's

940
00:46:23,630 --> 00:46:21,450
health situation or if they have an

941
00:46:25,970 --> 00:46:23,640
upcoming surgery they'll show me that we

942
00:46:27,710 --> 00:46:25,980
nurse so much that they know that you

943
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:27,720
wouldn't even think that would be on

944
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:29,730
their minds but they're so connected to

945
00:46:33,890 --> 00:46:31,530
us they love us so much that they can

946
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:33,900
share all that information and they

947
00:46:37,940 --> 00:46:36,720
often do and every session is different

948
00:46:39,950 --> 00:46:37,950
I never know what's going to come

949
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:39,960
through I never know who they're going

950
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,730
to bring through with them so that's

951
00:46:45,830 --> 00:46:43,680
what's fun for me because I never know

952
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:45,840
what is going to be uncovered or what

953
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:48,570
messages will be shared and every

954
00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:51,410
session is different and unique that way

955
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:56,250
all right we're coming up to our top of

956
00:47:01,460 --> 00:46:58,170
the hour break so why don't you let our

957
00:47:05,530 --> 00:47:01,470
audience know where they can find you

958
00:47:08,210 --> 00:47:05,540
online and where they can get your books

959
00:47:10,490 --> 00:47:08,220
absolutely we'll the easiest place to

960
00:47:14,180 --> 00:47:10,500
reach me is my website which is very

961
00:47:16,730 --> 00:47:14,190
simply Karen Anderson net and there it

962
00:47:21,620 --> 00:47:16,740
has all the links for the book and

963
00:47:24,140 --> 00:47:21,630
Facebook and also my books are on Amazon

964
00:47:26,359 --> 00:47:24,150
the amazing afterlife of animals here

965
00:47:28,460 --> 00:47:26,369
all creatures you can find those on

966
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:28,470
Amazon on audible on Barnes & Noble

967
00:47:36,140 --> 00:47:30,720
Smashwords and just about every other

968
00:47:39,770 --> 00:47:36,150
retailer out there so yeah and I and

969
00:47:42,830 --> 00:47:39,780
I've been reading your example afterlife

970
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:42,840
of animals and I love it it's just a

971
00:47:48,650 --> 00:47:45,930
fantastic book so thank you for being

972
00:47:51,650 --> 00:47:48,660
with us tonight Karen and Tim we have to

973
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,660
go to our top of the hour break so when

974
00:47:56,090 --> 00:47:53,280
we come back we'll

975
00:48:06,720 --> 00:47:56,100
Joan Lunden into the conversation on

976
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:11,200
explode the bazaars or e-ticket ride

977
00:48:17,550 --> 00:48:14,690
into the world of the paranoid strap

978
00:48:22,270 --> 00:48:17,560
yourself in as we traverse the universe

979
00:48:24,359 --> 00:48:22,280
exploring the unexplained UFO s ghosts

980
00:48:26,770 --> 00:48:24,369
Lost Worlds

981
00:48:30,609 --> 00:48:26,780
cryptozoology waters as well as other

982
00:48:32,849 --> 00:48:30,619
dimensions it's time to take back the

983
00:48:35,740 --> 00:48:32,859
NASA night

984
00:48:38,859 --> 00:48:35,750
now you are electrifying hosts of

985
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:38,869
exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

986
00:48:48,130 --> 00:48:45,920
team sports all right Tim second hour of

987
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:48,140
explore in the bizarre here we are back

988
00:48:54,609 --> 00:48:52,640
again well you know of course like you

989
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:54,619
say this is exploring the bizarre now

990
00:49:02,940 --> 00:48:57,890
there's an item you know we broadcast

991
00:49:05,650 --> 00:49:02,950
there live from the KC or radio

992
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:05,660
facilities out there in Las Vegas and

993
00:49:11,530 --> 00:49:08,720
there was a passing of an individual

994
00:49:14,530 --> 00:49:11,540
that made the news who is running for a

995
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:14,540
political office and even though he is

996
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:17,089
deceased I guess he passed away about a

997
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:21,050
week or two ago he still won the local

998
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:24,650
election and it's some fellow who had a

999
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:28,640
a reality show on HBO and he is the

1000
00:49:34,210 --> 00:49:31,280
owner or was the owner of a string of

1001
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:34,220
legal brothels including

1002
00:49:41,250 --> 00:49:37,330
the alien path house I kid you not

1003
00:49:43,859 --> 00:49:41,260
the alien cat house because it's in the

1004
00:49:49,930 --> 00:49:43,869
Pahrump Nevada which of course is very

1005
00:49:53,890 --> 00:49:49,940
close to area 51 and prostitution is

1006
00:49:57,250 --> 00:49:53,900
very legal there but now anyway he won

1007
00:49:58,690 --> 00:49:57,260
the election but the lost his life I

1008
00:50:01,839 --> 00:49:58,700
don't think that there's anything

1009
00:50:04,770 --> 00:50:01,849
suspicious necessarily about it although

1010
00:50:07,660 --> 00:50:04,780
I don't believe they've performed a

1011
00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:07,670
autopsy yet but that certainly is

1012
00:50:12,900 --> 00:50:09,730
bizarre that's somebody who is deceased

1013
00:50:16,030 --> 00:50:12,910
can still run away with the election

1014
00:50:18,190 --> 00:50:16,040
which which makes his I'm sure his

1015
00:50:21,970 --> 00:50:18,200
opponent feels really good about knowing

1016
00:50:25,730 --> 00:50:21,980
that she she lost to a dead man

1017
00:50:27,140 --> 00:50:25,740
it could it could happen to the I guess

1018
00:50:31,099 --> 00:50:27,150
a good happen to the I was going to say

1019
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:31,109
the best of us but I'm sure you're there

1020
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:34,650
in the in the afterlife and in some

1021
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:36,570
little brothel in the in the sky I

1022
00:50:41,260 --> 00:50:39,330
wouldn't I would assume but it's

1023
00:50:44,329 --> 00:50:41,270
interesting that he he had one of his

1024
00:50:47,570 --> 00:50:44,339
houses was the alien cat house I mean

1025
00:50:49,310 --> 00:50:47,580
exactly I didn't know yeah yeah in fact

1026
00:50:52,359 --> 00:50:49,320
it's on the Billboard if you google it

1027
00:50:56,570 --> 00:50:52,369
you'll you'll see you know and the

1028
00:50:57,890 --> 00:50:56,580
illustration of a lady there an alien on

1029
00:51:02,390 --> 00:50:57,900
the posterior should come down the

1030
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:02,400
highway so mmm-hmm and anyway yeah we've

1031
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:04,770
got a new book coming out this week that

1032
00:51:10,609 --> 00:51:07,680
we should tell people about I I haven't

1033
00:51:12,530 --> 00:51:10,619
even got a physical copy yet because

1034
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:12,540
it's just been released

1035
00:51:19,940 --> 00:51:14,400
today and it should be going up on

1036
00:51:22,250 --> 00:51:19,950
Amazon it's called alien bloodlust are

1037
00:51:26,349 --> 00:51:22,260
there vampires in outer space now I know

1038
00:51:28,670 --> 00:51:26,359
that sounds strange but Tim we are the

1039
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:28,680
publishers of some of the most bizarre

1040
00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:31,920
and strange literature in the in the

1041
00:51:39,410 --> 00:51:35,369
paranormal field now the main content

1042
00:51:43,099 --> 00:51:39,420
here is by our old-time friend has got

1043
00:51:47,359 --> 00:51:43,109
corrales who is a veteran researcher of

1044
00:51:50,660 --> 00:51:47,369
all events including the chupacabra and

1045
00:51:52,670 --> 00:51:50,670
UFO landings and abductions in the

1046
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:52,680
Hispanic communities around the world

1047
00:51:58,700 --> 00:51:55,050
including Puerto Rico in Mexico and

1048
00:52:01,940 --> 00:51:58,710
Central and South America if there's

1049
00:52:05,570 --> 00:52:01,950
something going on in the Latin speaking

1050
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:05,580
world Scott is right on top of it so

1051
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:07,650
he's the major contributor and of course

1052
00:52:15,230 --> 00:52:10,800
we you and I both wrote that a chapters

1053
00:52:19,339 --> 00:52:15,240
as did Hercules and Shawn Castile and

1054
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:19,349
our British friend over there in the UK

1055
00:52:23,839 --> 00:52:22,890
Nigel Watson in fact his chapter is and

1056
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:23,849
I kid you not

1057
00:52:31,579 --> 00:52:26,970
was Dracula an alien and we have proof

1058
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:31,589
pretty damn good proof that Vlad might

1059
00:52:36,110 --> 00:52:33,570
have been from up there

1060
00:52:39,230 --> 00:52:36,120
and these aliens are coming down and

1061
00:52:40,700 --> 00:52:39,240
they are sucking our be blood and I'm

1062
00:52:42,290 --> 00:52:40,710
not talking just about animal

1063
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:42,300
mutilations and stuff like that we're

1064
00:52:48,170 --> 00:52:44,370
talking about real bloodsuckers

1065
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:48,180
chupa-chupa III believe is the the name

1066
00:52:54,860 --> 00:52:52,050
that they use along the the Amazon where

1067
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:54,870
these refrigerators shaped objects come

1068
00:53:00,890 --> 00:52:57,210
down either out of the sky or up out of

1069
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:00,900
the ocean and shoot out a beam alighted

1070
00:53:06,260 --> 00:53:03,510
people down up from which it comes like

1071
00:53:08,770 --> 00:53:06,270
a pincher type device and actually

1072
00:53:11,710 --> 00:53:08,780
punctures their skin and drains them of

1073
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:11,720
some blood not all their blood but

1074
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:13,890
certainly quite enough of it to be

1075
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:18,000
noticed over 400 cases fabulous fabulous

1076
00:53:25,610 --> 00:53:22,290
most mysterious a youthful logical event

1077
00:53:31,340 --> 00:53:25,620
along the the Amazon that really hasn't

1078
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:31,350
got as much attention as it it it should

1079
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:33,690
be and we hope now it will get the

1080
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:36,570
attention that it deserves so that's a

1081
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:39,450
alien bloodless that should be up on

1082
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:42,690
Amazon in a day or two but what did you

1083
00:53:47,930 --> 00:53:45,090
tell people about the sensitizing with

1084
00:53:50,990 --> 00:53:47,940
our subject tonight what you're working

1085
00:53:57,050 --> 00:53:51,000
on currently all right well I am putting

1086
00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:57,060
together actually I'm adapting a book

1087
00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:01,680
for for modern readers about the the

1088
00:54:09,290 --> 00:54:04,910
famous case from the Isle of Man about

1089
00:54:12,980 --> 00:54:09,300
Jeff the talking Mongoose this was a

1090
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:12,990
case that occurred in the the the 1930s

1091
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:19,040
and this isolated farmhouse with this

1092
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:22,170
older couple a couple by the name of the

1093
00:54:27,590 --> 00:54:22,890
Irving's

1094
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:27,600
and their their their daughter who when

1095
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:29,010
the phenomena first started she was

1096
00:54:34,970 --> 00:54:32,880
around 14 years old and it had

1097
00:54:37,970 --> 00:54:34,980
progressed up until she was passed the

1098
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:37,980
age of 18 and I'm not quite sure how you

1099
00:54:44,450 --> 00:54:40,850
would how you pronounce her name it's a

1100
00:54:45,410 --> 00:54:44,460
it's it's the the makes a version of

1101
00:54:48,410 --> 00:54:45,420
mayor

1102
00:54:51,789 --> 00:54:48,420
was her name but it's like vory I think

1103
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:51,799
it's how it's how it's pronounced but

1104
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:56,160
the their their house was invaded by

1105
00:55:01,760 --> 00:54:59,520
what they first thought was a ghost you

1106
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:01,770
know it had all the earmarks yeah yeah

1107
00:55:08,780 --> 00:55:04,290
earmarks with traditional poltergeist

1108
00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:08,790
but then it started talking and it

1109
00:55:14,270 --> 00:55:11,910
they caught glimpses of it and it looked

1110
00:55:17,299 --> 00:55:14,280
to be like a they first thought it was

1111
00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:17,309
like a weasel and in fact it it or its

1112
00:55:23,839 --> 00:55:20,609
earlier names was like the the the the

1113
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:23,849
bank's weasel talking weasel but it

1114
00:55:28,339 --> 00:55:25,650
later claimed that it was it was a

1115
00:55:32,030 --> 00:55:28,349
mongoose that could talk and this thing

1116
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:32,040
had had long conversations with the

1117
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:43,180
some visitors it it was notoriously shy

1118
00:55:54,670 --> 00:55:51,210
some people did hear a talk but few

1119
00:55:58,720 --> 00:55:54,680
four-letter words oh yeah yeah so the

1120
00:56:00,680 --> 00:55:58,730
the original writer of the book was a

1121
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:00,690
investigated by the name of Harry price

1122
00:56:08,829 --> 00:56:04,410
and he went there a couple of times but

1123
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:08,839
the Jeff the Mongoose always always hid

1124
00:56:16,190 --> 00:56:13,410
from him and Harry thought he heard it

1125
00:56:18,650 --> 00:56:16,200
once screaming at him but some other

1126
00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:18,660
people did did hear it so I mean we're

1127
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:20,760
left wondering whether you know this was

1128
00:56:25,730 --> 00:56:24,450
an actual what the case was you know we

1129
00:56:27,799 --> 00:56:25,740
really don't know well you know Boulder

1130
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:27,809
guys you know was the girl a very

1131
00:56:31,609 --> 00:56:29,760
talented ventriloquist

1132
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:31,619
you know who knows it's a fascinating

1133
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:35,130
story well and we look forward to

1134
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:37,530
bringing that out because I have looked

1135
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:40,079
high and low for years to find that book

1136
00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:42,000
and it was available

1137
00:56:47,450 --> 00:56:44,609
you know from rare booksellers for like

1138
00:56:49,309 --> 00:56:47,460
800 to a thousand dollars and of course

1139
00:56:52,730 --> 00:56:49,319
I was gonna pay that kind of money and

1140
00:56:56,359 --> 00:56:52,740
for it but finally somebody had a copy

1141
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:56,369
and they made of a file out of it there

1142
00:57:01,530 --> 00:56:59,200
for us and happily sent us to it to us

1143
00:57:04,530 --> 00:57:01,540
so we'll be publishing the original

1144
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:04,540
manuscript and including our own take on

1145
00:57:11,609 --> 00:57:09,250
it we have other animals and things in

1146
00:57:14,790 --> 00:57:11,619
supposedly inanimate objects that

1147
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:14,800
actually have spoken to people it's all

1148
00:57:19,950 --> 00:57:17,440
very strange but let's get on with the

1149
00:57:24,180 --> 00:57:19,960
the show and introduce our second guest

1150
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:24,190
for the evening yeah we have June a

1151
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:27,730
longer'n who has been patiently waiting

1152
00:57:34,980 --> 00:57:32,770
for for her chance in the the spotlight

1153
00:57:37,020 --> 00:57:34,990
but you know normally you know we'll

1154
00:57:39,089 --> 00:57:37,030
have both guests on at the same time but

1155
00:57:44,430 --> 00:57:39,099
since Karen could only do the first hour

1156
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:44,440
of the show we'll let Jim have the the

1157
00:57:49,230 --> 00:57:46,960
entire second hour so June thanks for

1158
00:57:53,970 --> 00:57:49,240
being with us tonight thanks for having

1159
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:53,980
me really it's our pleasure now we

1160
00:58:00,540 --> 00:57:57,760
talked quite a bit about you know animal

1161
00:58:03,540 --> 00:58:00,550
communication and you know you know pet

1162
00:58:08,370 --> 00:58:03,550
psychics and things like that and and I

1163
00:58:13,220 --> 00:58:08,380
know that you do that as well but you

1164
00:58:16,050 --> 00:58:13,230
know you do so much more than that so

1165
00:58:18,450 --> 00:58:16,060
what got you started in this I mean you

1166
00:58:22,530 --> 00:58:18,460
know it's like we asked Karen at the

1167
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:22,540
beginning was this something that that

1168
00:58:26,940 --> 00:58:24,490
you discovered that you could do as a

1169
00:58:30,540 --> 00:58:26,950
kid I mean not just talk to animals but

1170
00:58:33,990 --> 00:58:30,550
just the the whole psychic abilities you

1171
00:58:36,210 --> 00:58:34,000
know maybe even seeing spirits and you

1172
00:58:38,849 --> 00:58:36,220
know people who had gone on but for some

1173
00:58:41,010 --> 00:58:38,859
reason they're still hanging around yeah

1174
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:41,020
my grandmother raised me my maternal

1175
00:58:46,890 --> 00:58:44,290
grandmother and she was a medium and all

1176
00:58:50,700 --> 00:58:46,900
the women in our family back to the

1177
00:58:52,650 --> 00:58:50,710
1600s they all had abilities and it

1178
00:58:57,630 --> 00:58:52,660
seems to be handed down from the females

1179
00:59:00,079 --> 00:58:57,640
in the family and when my mother dumped

1180
00:59:02,460 --> 00:59:00,089
me off on my grandmother when I was born

1181
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:02,470
my grandmother knew right away that I

1182
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:06,010
had gifts because animals would come and

1183
00:59:12,180 --> 00:59:09,280
just you know stare at me and sleep

1184
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:12,190
under my crib and and she would see

1185
00:59:17,410 --> 00:59:12,890
spirit

1186
00:59:21,010 --> 00:59:17,420
some angels around me all the time so

1187
00:59:24,210 --> 00:59:21,020
she knew that she had to you know start

1188
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:24,220
helping me understand from a young age

1189
00:59:30,670 --> 00:59:26,930
what was going on and everything like

1190
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:30,680
that and so that we so I would learn to

1191
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:34,690
tell the good ones from the bad ones and

1192
00:59:40,300 --> 00:59:37,280
Michael the Archangel has always been a

1193
00:59:44,620 --> 00:59:40,310
constant companion since I was born

1194
00:59:46,740 --> 00:59:44,630
so you know he hangs with me a lot we

1195
00:59:51,370 --> 00:59:46,750
get there we have a lot of interesting

1196
00:59:56,500 --> 00:59:51,380
conversations oh no okay how how would

1197
00:59:59,530 --> 00:59:56,510
your grandmother teach you these things

1198
01:00:01,530 --> 00:59:59,540
I mean you know I I imagine that there

1199
01:00:04,930 --> 01:00:01,540
you know there's not a handbook

1200
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:04,940
available you know teacher you know how

1201
01:00:10,270 --> 01:00:08,090
to teach her grand daughter to you know

1202
01:00:12,310 --> 01:00:10,280
recognize the good from the bad or you

1203
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:12,320
know or whatever so I mean you know what

1204
01:00:19,660 --> 01:00:16,160
what was her her process for you know

1205
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:19,670
introducing you to this this world that

1206
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:21,920
you know basically was you know I mean

1207
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:24,290
it it was going to be with you no matter

1208
01:00:30,130 --> 01:00:27,680
what well it was you know she she taught

1209
01:00:32,590 --> 01:00:30,140
me the way her mother taught her me it

1210
01:00:34,930 --> 01:00:32,600
was you know each each child that was

1211
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:34,940
born was taught by the mother you know

1212
01:00:40,780 --> 01:00:36,890
and given all the information that that

1213
01:00:44,020 --> 01:00:40,790
person knew again my grandmother knew

1214
01:00:47,650 --> 01:00:44,030
that she only had like a quarter of the

1215
01:00:49,780 --> 01:00:47,660
information that I would need but you

1216
01:00:52,090 --> 01:00:49,790
know she taught me everything she could

1217
01:00:53,940 --> 01:00:52,100
you know when we would she would run

1218
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:53,950
into a bad one she would say you know

1219
01:00:59,980 --> 01:00:56,810
this is how you you know how do you feel

1220
01:01:04,030 --> 01:00:59,990
you know how you can recognize them you

1221
01:01:05,890 --> 01:01:04,040
know what you should do about it and you

1222
01:01:08,590 --> 01:01:05,900
know she would teach she taught me how

1223
01:01:10,300 --> 01:01:08,600
to help people cross over and to tell

1224
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:10,310
the difference between an earthbound

1225
01:01:16,510 --> 01:01:13,910
spirit and earthbound ghost and her

1226
01:01:19,090 --> 01:01:16,520
spirit that's already ascended to the

1227
01:01:22,090 --> 01:01:19,100
other side so it was we would have long

1228
01:01:24,130 --> 01:01:22,100
sessions at night and you know she knew

1229
01:01:26,650 --> 01:01:24,140
that my eyes were she said your eyes

1230
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:26,660
were old soul and so she knew

1231
01:01:33,970 --> 01:01:29,330
that I would understand I you know why

1232
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:33,980
I'm telling you my IQ is 146 but the

1233
01:01:39,310 --> 01:01:36,290
thing is you know that's got nothing to

1234
01:01:42,550 --> 01:01:39,320
do with it because really if you're

1235
01:01:44,370 --> 01:01:42,560
willing to learn and I was then you know

1236
01:01:46,980 --> 01:01:44,380
you're basically an open-book

1237
01:01:49,780 --> 01:01:46,990
so we had many conversations

1238
01:01:53,110 --> 01:01:49,790
unfortunately my mother took me back to

1239
01:01:58,510 --> 01:01:53,120
live with her when I was about between

1240
01:01:59,800 --> 01:01:58,520
five and six and and she didn't want to

1241
01:02:03,580 --> 01:01:59,810
have anything to do with that even

1242
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:03,590
though at one time she had gifts she

1243
01:02:08,020 --> 01:02:06,290
basically turned her back on God and

1244
01:02:15,730 --> 01:02:08,030
when you do that you know you lose your

1245
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:15,740
gifts so for someone okay now like you

1246
01:02:24,250 --> 01:02:19,130
know take take care of your mother for

1247
01:02:25,660 --> 01:02:24,260
for instance some people you know like

1248
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:25,670
like yourself and your grandmother and

1249
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:27,650
and and another members of your family

1250
01:02:40,180 --> 01:02:32,570
are born with these abilities if you

1251
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:40,190
don't work with them what does that what

1252
01:02:48,070 --> 01:02:42,770
does that do for you for for your life I

1253
01:02:54,100 --> 01:02:48,080
mean I I have heard some psychic mediums

1254
01:02:57,940 --> 01:02:54,110
talk about how before they learned how

1255
01:02:59,980 --> 01:02:57,950
to harness their abilities that at times

1256
01:03:03,460 --> 01:02:59,990
that they could almost be driven insane

1257
01:03:06,570 --> 01:03:03,470
by what's going on around them all of

1258
01:03:10,510 --> 01:03:06,580
the time it can be very overwhelming

1259
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:10,520
it's like I'll give you an example or my

1260
01:03:17,590 --> 01:03:14,450
grandmother said okay we were you know

1261
01:03:20,590 --> 01:03:17,600
we're in a shopping area and we sat down

1262
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:20,600
on a bench and my grandma said well

1263
01:03:30,670 --> 01:03:24,050
close your eyes and tell me what you

1264
01:03:34,270 --> 01:03:30,680
hear and it was like being say in your

1265
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:34,280
home and it was filled with wall-to-wall

1266
01:03:40,300 --> 01:03:37,280
bodies and everybody was talking at the

1267
01:03:43,030 --> 01:03:40,310
same time hmm and you couldn't read

1268
01:03:44,890 --> 01:03:43,040
we make out you couldn't really make out

1269
01:03:47,620 --> 01:03:44,900
the conversations because everybody was

1270
01:03:49,870 --> 01:03:47,630
talking at the same time and it was you

1271
01:03:52,090 --> 01:03:49,880
know they were on top of each other in

1272
01:03:55,090 --> 01:03:52,100
what they were saying and I told her

1273
01:03:58,570 --> 01:03:55,100
that she said okay pick a voice pick a

1274
01:04:02,410 --> 01:03:58,580
voice to listen to find one that you're

1275
01:04:03,700 --> 01:04:02,420
drawn to and listen to it and so that's

1276
01:04:06,810 --> 01:04:03,710
what I did

1277
01:04:08,980 --> 01:04:06,820
and I could focus in on that particular

1278
01:04:12,010 --> 01:04:08,990
conversation or what that person was

1279
01:04:15,490 --> 01:04:12,020
saying and she you know after the

1280
01:04:18,970 --> 01:04:15,500
exercise she says no that's what you

1281
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:18,980
need to do each time because souls are

1282
01:04:23,830 --> 01:04:21,530
all around you all the time it's not

1283
01:04:25,930 --> 01:04:23,840
like you know on the ghost whisperer or

1284
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:25,940
something like that whereas like one

1285
01:04:30,670 --> 01:04:28,130
comes through at a time that's not the

1286
01:04:31,210 --> 01:04:30,680
way it is they're always there all the

1287
01:04:35,830 --> 01:04:31,220
time

1288
01:04:38,230 --> 01:04:35,840
it depends upon if they want to talk to

1289
01:04:41,230 --> 01:04:38,240
you or not most of them are just like

1290
01:04:43,630 --> 01:04:41,240
it's like in being in New York a rush

1291
01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:43,640
hour going down the sidewalk and

1292
01:04:47,890 --> 01:04:45,280
everybody's going in the same direction

1293
01:04:50,790 --> 01:04:47,900
and then you got the one person that's

1294
01:04:53,410 --> 01:04:50,800
going office it going against the flow

1295
01:04:55,060 --> 01:04:53,420
that's the that's the soul that wants to

1296
01:04:58,240 --> 01:04:55,070
talk to you the one that's going against

1297
01:05:06,660 --> 01:04:58,250
this this the flow of the people and so

1298
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:06,670
that's kind of how you differentiy so is

1299
01:05:17,170 --> 01:05:12,370
is the earth plane so to speak filled

1300
01:05:20,590 --> 01:05:17,180
with people who for whatever reason have

1301
01:05:22,450 --> 01:05:20,600
not gone on you know you talked about

1302
01:05:24,070 --> 01:05:22,460
the you know the shopping mall with

1303
01:05:28,060 --> 01:05:24,080
everybody you know crowd around talking

1304
01:05:30,540 --> 01:05:28,070
and bumping bumping into each other is

1305
01:05:34,420 --> 01:05:30,550
it the same kind of situation you know

1306
01:05:37,150 --> 01:05:34,430
here on earth with discarnate spirits I

1307
01:05:41,020 --> 01:05:37,160
mean is it you know there is everything

1308
01:05:44,770 --> 01:05:41,030
just deal fold overflowing with them

1309
01:05:47,590 --> 01:05:44,780
there are a lot of haven't crossed over

1310
01:05:51,810 --> 01:05:47,600
for one reason or the other but when I

1311
01:05:53,900 --> 01:05:51,820
tuned in to all those people it was on

1312
01:05:56,420 --> 01:05:53,910
the higher

1313
01:05:59,690 --> 01:05:56,430
vibrational plain it wasn't it's more

1314
01:06:04,190 --> 01:05:59,700
like angelic plain mm-hmm I can tune in

1315
01:06:07,220 --> 01:06:04,200
all the way up I was a - from - God and

1316
01:06:09,020 --> 01:06:07,230
the Archangels and each one of them

1317
01:06:12,460 --> 01:06:09,030
resonates on a different frequency a

1318
01:06:15,770 --> 01:06:12,470
higher frequency and if I was just to

1319
01:06:19,130 --> 01:06:15,780
focus on the earth plane you know

1320
01:06:22,340 --> 01:06:19,140
there's there some it's not like they're

1321
01:06:25,130 --> 01:06:22,350
all over the place all the time there

1322
01:06:27,410 --> 01:06:25,140
are some that know that you can talk to

1323
01:06:30,260 --> 01:06:27,420
them know that you could hear them so

1324
01:06:33,830 --> 01:06:30,270
they'll seek you out and so if I happen

1325
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:33,840
to be going somewhere like you know I

1326
01:06:38,540 --> 01:06:36,410
don't go to graveyards because it's like

1327
01:06:41,390 --> 01:06:38,550
everybody and their brother wants to

1328
01:06:43,310 --> 01:06:41,400
talk to me when I go to graveyards it's

1329
01:06:44,780 --> 01:06:43,320
not like people die you know people drop

1330
01:06:48,740 --> 01:06:44,790
dead in the graveyard that's not the

1331
01:06:51,070 --> 01:06:48,750
fact fact is they know I'm coming so

1332
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:51,080
they like come from every direction to

1333
01:06:56,210 --> 01:06:53,250
get there you know to get a message

1334
01:06:57,950 --> 01:06:56,220
through or to talk to me or to help you

1335
01:07:00,470 --> 01:06:57,960
know for me to help them cross over I

1336
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:00,480
went to a local graveyard strictly by

1337
01:07:06,310 --> 01:07:03,450
accident one Halloween because my sister

1338
01:07:10,190 --> 01:07:06,320
and I wanted to go on a ghost tour and

1339
01:07:13,310 --> 01:07:10,200
we ended up on the wrong bus and then a

1340
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:13,320
bright smack at the Pioneer regard mmm

1341
01:07:19,070 --> 01:07:17,490
and I'm like really so I get out and

1342
01:07:23,870 --> 01:07:19,080
here comes all these people all these

1343
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:23,880
Souls I'm like crap about like 30 of

1344
01:07:29,270 --> 01:07:26,160
them you know I'm like my sister-in-law

1345
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:29,280
just thinks this is hysterical I told

1346
01:07:33,350 --> 01:07:30,930
her says shut up I said I'm gonna have

1347
01:07:37,630 --> 01:07:33,360
these ghosts go over there and stand by

1348
01:07:42,590 --> 01:07:40,280
she's like why is it so cold I said come

1349
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:42,600
on the stand over there I told him I

1350
01:07:46,850 --> 01:07:45,090
said okay raise your hand everybody that

1351
01:07:49,730 --> 01:07:46,860
wants me to give a message to a loved

1352
01:07:51,890 --> 01:07:49,740
one and you know about 90% of them raise

1353
01:07:54,500 --> 01:07:51,900
their hand I said okay put your hands

1354
01:07:56,180 --> 01:07:54,510
down it's not happening unless you can

1355
01:07:58,610 --> 01:07:56,190
give me a phone number in an address

1356
01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:58,620
it ain't happening they're like Oh

1357
01:08:04,070 --> 01:08:00,960
bummer and I said I can help you to

1358
01:08:07,010 --> 01:08:04,080
cross nobody wants to cross I'm good I

1359
01:08:07,470 --> 01:08:07,020
hope you're with that no problem so all

1360
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:07,480
of them

1361
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:10,810
but one guy and he was still stuck in

1362
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:13,090
when I call his death state where he had

1363
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:15,490
blood on him and everything he died in a

1364
01:08:21,539 --> 01:08:18,250
car accident and I'm like what's your

1365
01:08:25,559 --> 01:08:21,549
issue I said why don't you cross and he

1366
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:25,569
says I was on my way to meet my lover

1367
01:08:31,470 --> 01:08:28,930
you know he was a Catholic and he says

1368
01:08:33,390 --> 01:08:31,480
you know I can't I can't go to heaven

1369
01:08:36,300 --> 01:08:33,400
like that I mean you know it was

1370
01:08:37,950 --> 01:08:36,310
committing adultery and I told him I

1371
01:08:40,410 --> 01:08:37,960
said you know move on from your death

1372
01:08:43,140 --> 01:08:40,420
state please I said you know that's your

1373
01:08:45,150 --> 01:08:43,150
hang-up not mine I said when you're

1374
01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:45,160
ready give me a shout and I hope you

1375
01:08:52,349 --> 01:08:47,920
cross but until then you know you need

1376
01:08:56,099 --> 01:08:52,359
to let go of all that baggage you talked

1377
01:08:59,010 --> 01:08:56,109
about the Ghost Whisperer earlier and it

1378
01:09:00,479 --> 01:08:59,020
reminded me of a you talking about you

1379
01:09:01,740 --> 01:09:00,489
know being a up Cemetery with the you

1380
01:09:04,289 --> 01:09:01,750
know everybody crowding around you

1381
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:04,299
reminds me of a scene from the Ghost

1382
01:09:10,110 --> 01:09:06,730
Whisperer where she had gone to a

1383
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:10,120
hospital but before she did she had she

1384
01:09:16,499 --> 01:09:13,600
put like headphones on and kept her you

1385
01:09:19,380 --> 01:09:16,509
know her eyes to the ground and that it

1386
01:09:21,599 --> 01:09:19,390
showed like a perspective of what she

1387
01:09:23,670 --> 01:09:21,609
was actually experiences and there was

1388
01:09:26,820 --> 01:09:23,680
you know she was surrounded by hundreds

1389
01:09:29,490 --> 01:09:26,830
of people who had passed on but hadn't

1390
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:29,500
you know gone gone over yet all trying

1391
01:09:40,579 --> 01:09:34,000
to talk to her at at once and I'm a

1392
01:09:43,620 --> 01:09:40,589
nurse I mean yo you'll find maybe ten

1393
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:43,630
five to ten of them you know and they

1394
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:44,799
know you have to do is talk to them

1395
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:46,239
telepathically and tell them you know

1396
01:09:54,269 --> 01:09:51,130
what yeah we want why you're dead get a

1397
01:09:56,250 --> 01:09:54,279
clue move on that's it that's

1398
01:09:58,470 --> 01:09:56,260
interesting you know and you know you

1399
01:10:01,170 --> 01:09:58,480
talk about you know the cemetery I you

1400
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:01,180
know I always thought that you know why

1401
01:10:06,570 --> 01:10:04,210
would cemeteries be haunted you know

1402
01:10:08,100 --> 01:10:06,580
people didn't die there you know they're

1403
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:08,110
their mortal remains are there and

1404
01:10:12,330 --> 01:10:10,090
unless you're just you know really

1405
01:10:14,130 --> 01:10:12,340
clinging to that cemetery to be the last

1406
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:14,140
place I would think it's spirit you know

1407
01:10:17,940 --> 01:10:15,730
would want to go and hang out there's a

1408
01:10:21,029 --> 01:10:17,950
couple reasons why that hang out there

1409
01:10:24,270 --> 01:10:21,039
I had woman one woman came up to me

1410
01:10:26,850 --> 01:10:24,280
do you see this dress do you see it I

1411
01:10:28,589 --> 01:10:26,860
didn't want to be drawn I didn't want to

1412
01:10:31,169 --> 01:10:28,599
be buried in this dress look at it it's

1413
01:10:34,649 --> 01:10:31,179
ugly she go keep going on around am i

1414
01:10:36,509 --> 01:10:34,659
good okay fine whatever the other time

1415
01:10:38,430 --> 01:10:36,519
the guy was like I didn't want to be

1416
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:38,440
buried here I didn't want to be I wanted

1417
01:10:44,359 --> 01:10:40,090
to be up on the hill and look where they

1418
01:10:47,279 --> 01:10:44,369
put me I'm like you know get over it

1419
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:47,289
yeah it's really they're not bad ones

1420
01:10:55,109 --> 01:10:49,690
it's just like they're complainers you

1421
01:10:58,020 --> 01:10:55,119
know it's it's sad to think though that

1422
01:11:00,600 --> 01:10:58,030
you know the same kind of things that

1423
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:00,610
that pissed you off in life that you can

1424
01:11:06,209 --> 01:11:03,610
carry with you to the afterlife for a

1425
01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:06,219
while at least it's true unless they

1426
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:08,800
ascend fully you know they're still

1427
01:11:15,060 --> 01:11:12,250
stuck in their physical world mentality

1428
01:11:17,220 --> 01:11:15,070
and say you know and so there that's all

1429
01:11:20,100 --> 01:11:17,230
they're thinking about at that but once

1430
01:11:23,399 --> 01:11:20,110
they can move past that and see the

1431
01:11:26,100 --> 01:11:23,409
light and move on it's okay but before

1432
01:11:29,100 --> 01:11:26,110
that you know some people just that's

1433
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:29,110
why animals are so nice because they

1434
01:11:34,020 --> 01:11:31,210
cross they don't have the baggage we

1435
01:11:36,569 --> 01:11:34,030
have mm man it's like it's a clean break

1436
01:11:38,580 --> 01:11:36,579
and they're closer to God than we are

1437
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:38,590
all right I've got I'm gonna have to

1438
01:11:42,750 --> 01:11:40,480
make a clean break here because we are

1439
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:42,760
at our bottom of the our break so when

1440
01:11:45,990 --> 01:11:44,050
we come back we'll continue our

1441
01:11:48,029 --> 01:11:46,000
conversation with Jun Lundgren on

1442
01:11:55,540 --> 01:11:48,039
exploring the deck their bizarre stick

1443
01:12:02,270 --> 01:11:59,689
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1444
01:12:05,570 --> 01:12:02,280
two of the most electrifying researchers

1445
01:12:11,300 --> 01:12:05,580
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becky

1446
01:12:13,010 --> 01:12:11,310
Lee panting sports alright welcome back

1447
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:13,020
to exploring the bizarre right now we

1448
01:12:18,290 --> 01:12:15,840
have with this June Lundgren and June is

1449
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:18,300
a psychic medium animal communicator

1450
01:12:25,010 --> 01:12:22,410
healer professional nurse demon seer and

1451
01:12:26,930 --> 01:12:25,020
an international author I would think

1452
01:12:28,970 --> 01:12:26,940
after all that stuff how would you have

1453
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:28,980
time to be an international author as

1454
01:12:36,170 --> 01:12:33,360
well June you know four to five days a

1455
01:12:39,380 --> 01:12:36,180
week as a nurse and I have to use my

1456
01:12:42,350 --> 01:12:39,390
like lunch hour and a my weekends and

1457
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:42,360
stuff to do write my books and stuff

1458
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:46,290
that's about the only time I have okay

1459
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:50,850
before we had to go to our last break

1460
01:12:54,650 --> 01:12:53,370
you had brought up and we talked about

1461
01:13:00,080 --> 01:12:54,660
this the first hour of the show about

1462
01:13:04,490 --> 01:13:00,090
you know animal communication so what's

1463
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:04,500
what's your experience been with talking

1464
01:13:11,420 --> 01:13:07,290
with the animals you know Karen gave her

1465
01:13:13,970 --> 01:13:11,430
or her perspective what about you I get

1466
01:13:17,500 --> 01:13:13,980
I receive my information like I'm

1467
01:13:22,220 --> 01:13:17,510
talking to you know regular conversation

1468
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:22,230
I've been around animals forever and you

1469
01:13:26,959 --> 01:13:25,530
know first if I talk to a one you know

1470
01:13:30,020 --> 01:13:26,969
somebody calls me and says I need you to

1471
01:13:33,500 --> 01:13:30,030
talk to my animal you know when I go to

1472
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:33,510
talk to them they're at first startled

1473
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:35,730
that someone can actually hear them and

1474
01:13:40,490 --> 01:13:38,130
understand them and once they get over

1475
01:13:42,979 --> 01:13:40,500
that then they open up about you know

1476
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:42,989
where they hurts or what they need you

1477
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:46,800
what their concerns are I went recently

1478
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:50,400
I went gentleman asked me to come over

1479
01:13:56,689 --> 01:13:53,010
because they had moved up from here from

1480
01:13:59,630 --> 01:13:56,699
California to Oregon and you know before

1481
01:14:02,800 --> 01:13:59,640
they moved everything was fine and when

1482
01:14:06,500 --> 01:14:02,810
they got here the dog was just really

1483
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:06,510
you know not dealing well with the wife

1484
01:14:11,230 --> 01:14:08,930
was it was like

1485
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:11,240
not wanting to be around her or wanting

1486
01:14:16,450 --> 01:14:13,850
to stay away from her not wanting to be

1487
01:14:18,250 --> 01:14:16,460
close to her and he says I really need

1488
01:14:20,670 --> 01:14:18,260
you to come and talk to him and find out

1489
01:14:24,670 --> 01:14:20,680
I get there's like four different dogs

1490
01:14:28,570 --> 01:14:24,680
and I'm like okay so your wife is

1491
01:14:30,700 --> 01:14:28,580
unstable her energy is unstable they

1492
01:14:34,270 --> 01:14:30,710
don't like it they don't want to be

1493
01:14:37,780 --> 01:14:34,280
around that energy and she's full of

1494
01:14:39,820 --> 01:14:37,790
worry she's full of stress and they

1495
01:14:43,150 --> 01:14:39,830
don't like it and they don't want to

1496
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:43,160
deal with it and I took so I talked to

1497
01:14:48,340 --> 01:14:46,400
that animals all four of them told him

1498
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:48,350
what was going on and everything and and

1499
01:14:59,680 --> 01:14:50,930
they settle down and it was fine after

1500
01:15:02,980 --> 01:14:59,690
that hmm when it comes to the time that

1501
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:02,990
an animal has to pass on you know like a

1502
01:15:11,890 --> 01:15:07,130
person is it is it a similar situation

1503
01:15:15,460 --> 01:15:11,900
where some remain behind for a while for

1504
01:15:18,670 --> 01:15:15,470
whatever reason and then go on or you

1505
01:15:20,650 --> 01:15:18,680
know a like you like you said you know

1506
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:20,660
earlier I mean they don't have any any

1507
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:23,120
kinds of baggage or you know worried on

1508
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:24,410
what kind of clothes they were dressed

1509
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:27,170
in before they were married or you know

1510
01:15:33,670 --> 01:15:30,560
or do they just just just go on it

1511
01:15:37,060 --> 01:15:33,680
depends you know some of them on fact I

1512
01:15:40,950 --> 01:15:37,070
just had to put down with my cocker

1513
01:15:45,490 --> 01:15:40,960
spaniel about a month ago

1514
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:45,500
he was 14 and she was having these

1515
01:15:56,140 --> 01:15:52,810
end up he ended up having an aneurysm

1516
01:15:58,060 --> 01:15:56,150
burst in his brain mm-hmm so his you

1517
01:16:01,060 --> 01:15:58,070
know his eyes wouldn't track he was

1518
01:16:03,190 --> 01:16:01,070
confused he couldn't walk all of that

1519
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:03,200
and I told him I said listen you know I

1520
01:16:08,730 --> 01:16:05,930
know you don't want to be like this

1521
01:16:12,850 --> 01:16:08,740
there's nothing they can do to fix it I

1522
01:16:15,250 --> 01:16:12,860
said you know do you want to leave is it

1523
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:15,260
your time you know that is that what you

1524
01:16:21,220 --> 01:16:19,730
want and he was I did what I explained

1525
01:16:22,510 --> 01:16:21,230
to him what was gonna happen and he was

1526
01:16:24,430 --> 01:16:22,520
good with it

1527
01:16:28,330 --> 01:16:24,440
and he just went to sleep in my arms and

1528
01:16:31,630 --> 01:16:28,340
then that was it mm-hmm I've seen you

1529
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:31,640
know I had my mail Dobie he was 12 when

1530
01:16:37,180 --> 01:16:34,850
he died and he's like you know it got up

1531
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:37,190
in the morning before I went to bed I

1532
01:16:41,530 --> 01:16:38,930
said well you know it's up to you I said

1533
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:41,540
but you know don't stay here if you're

1534
01:16:51,210 --> 01:16:45,850
miserable do not stay here just go yeah

1535
01:16:57,460 --> 01:16:53,650
pretty much I've always been able to see

1536
01:17:00,060 --> 01:16:57,470
the soul leave the body so for me that's

1537
01:17:04,900 --> 01:17:00,070
just normal

1538
01:17:08,710 --> 01:17:04,910
well as as typically asked in in the

1539
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:08,720
first hour you know I mean when when

1540
01:17:15,250 --> 01:17:11,890
you're raised kids you know your talk

1541
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:15,260
you got human heaven doggy heaven kitty

1542
01:17:21,430 --> 01:17:17,090
heaven you know things like that I mean

1543
01:17:23,770 --> 01:17:21,440
it's is is that the case or is just you

1544
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:23,780
know the afterlife or you know there's

1545
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:26,930
no no you know there's no there's no

1546
01:17:33,370 --> 01:17:30,610
walls surrounding each species

1547
01:17:36,850 --> 01:17:33,380
separation mmm he died in a motorcycle

1548
01:17:39,310 --> 01:17:36,860
accident in 1988 so I wasn't dead for

1549
01:17:41,620 --> 01:17:39,320
two minutes and when I went to the other

1550
01:17:43,450 --> 01:17:41,630
side it's like oh this is cool you know

1551
01:17:47,290 --> 01:17:43,460
my grandma and grandpa met me and and

1552
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:47,300
it's like you know it's like you become

1553
01:17:56,770 --> 01:17:52,970
a part of a bigger hole you can hear the

1554
01:17:58,810 --> 01:17:56,780
thoughts of the other souls but they're

1555
01:18:01,120 --> 01:17:58,820
like kind of like in the background you

1556
01:18:05,020 --> 01:18:01,130
know like background noise and you can

1557
01:18:07,540 --> 01:18:05,030
feel the connection to what some people

1558
01:18:10,330 --> 01:18:07,550
call the God consciousness you could

1559
01:18:13,990 --> 01:18:10,340
feel that and there's no walls there's

1560
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:14,000
no time there's no distance on the other

1561
01:18:17,650 --> 01:18:15,770
side one of the main things I learned

1562
01:18:21,010 --> 01:18:17,660
was that time you thought thoughts

1563
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:21,020
become reality before you even finish

1564
01:18:27,550 --> 01:18:23,810
the thought it's you know about going to

1565
01:18:29,260 --> 01:18:27,560
Bermuda you're there mmm that's why you

1566
01:18:31,270 --> 01:18:29,270
know Michael the Archangel can be in a

1567
01:18:35,170 --> 01:18:31,280
hundred places at the same time because

1568
01:18:35,890 --> 01:18:35,180
there is no space there is no so you

1569
01:18:38,020 --> 01:18:35,900
know it's not

1570
01:18:40,990 --> 01:18:38,030
walking across the floor and you know

1571
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:41,000
there you are in the same room but it's

1572
01:18:47,790 --> 01:18:44,239
it is different but there are dog you

1573
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:47,800
know animals there people there you know

1574
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:52,130
angelic beings but it's not it's it's a

1575
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:55,370
world of energy but my brain was

1576
01:19:00,550 --> 01:18:57,530
perceiving it because you know it's hard

1577
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:00,560
for the human brain to wrap wrap itself

1578
01:19:07,140 --> 01:19:04,570
around what is there so you create

1579
01:19:11,350 --> 01:19:07,150
because I was still stuck on my physical

1580
01:19:12,939 --> 01:19:11,360
mentality yeah you create what you think

1581
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:12,949
it should look like mmm

1582
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:17,570
it was clouds and Michael the Archangel

1583
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:20,480
was there and you know and you know

1584
01:19:28,390 --> 01:19:23,210
you're walking on the floors of a kind

1585
01:19:29,979 --> 01:19:28,400
I saw clouds you know Michael says you

1586
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:29,989
know you need to come because you need

1587
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:31,489
to understand who and what you are and

1588
01:19:36,459 --> 01:19:34,610
you have a job to do and my grandfather

1589
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:36,469
told me you're going to have a son

1590
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:41,210
in the next year and so I just met my

1591
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:44,330
husband at that time and about a year

1592
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:48,530
later my son was one hmm

1593
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:51,530
I'm surprised your son you didn't meet

1594
01:19:58,860 --> 01:19:54,850
your son there and say hey go back I

1595
01:20:00,939 --> 01:19:58,870
need my chance he was the one of my

1596
01:20:07,149 --> 01:20:00,949
Guardians mmm

1597
01:20:09,550 --> 01:20:07,159
I get I get the impression from hearing

1598
01:20:15,130 --> 01:20:09,560
descriptions from people who have had

1599
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:15,140
near-death experiences that at least for

1600
01:20:25,810 --> 01:20:20,570
a while your your perception of the

1601
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:25,820
afterlife is based a lot on your

1602
01:20:31,899 --> 01:20:30,170
conceptions of what you were of what you

1603
01:20:34,180 --> 01:20:31,909
were going to expect while you were

1604
01:20:36,340 --> 01:20:34,190
living so you know I you know if you're

1605
01:20:37,689 --> 01:20:36,350
if you're a Catholic you know you would

1606
01:20:39,630 --> 01:20:37,699
you would go to you know you you would

1607
01:20:43,270 --> 01:20:39,640
experience like a Catholic heaven and

1608
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:43,280
yeah and you know if you were a bad

1609
01:20:47,299 --> 01:20:45,050
person and knew you that you were a bad

1610
01:20:49,879 --> 01:20:47,309
person for why you had end up

1611
01:20:56,239 --> 01:20:49,889
you know in in you know like the land of

1612
01:20:57,919 --> 01:20:56,249
shadows so to speak you are stuck in

1613
01:21:01,279 --> 01:20:57,929
your you know your physical world

1614
01:21:04,219 --> 01:21:01,289
mentality because people that are have

1615
01:21:06,349 --> 01:21:04,229
the you know near-death experience or

1616
01:21:08,750 --> 01:21:06,359
whatever they want to call it it's

1617
01:21:12,229 --> 01:21:08,760
because you're stuck in there because

1618
01:21:14,569 --> 01:21:12,239
you're going back if you had died if you

1619
01:21:17,839 --> 01:21:14,579
died and you know we're not going back

1620
01:21:20,809 --> 01:21:17,849
then you believe all that behind mm-hmm

1621
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:20,819
because you're meant to go back you

1622
01:21:27,949 --> 01:21:22,530
still maintain that physical world

1623
01:21:30,949 --> 01:21:27,959
mentality well and plus there's there's

1624
01:21:33,079 --> 01:21:30,959
probably and you talked about this

1625
01:21:37,389 --> 01:21:33,089
before you know like different

1626
01:21:41,119 --> 01:21:37,399
vibrational levels when you first ascend

1627
01:21:43,790 --> 01:21:41,129
you're going to be you know like a new

1628
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:43,800
spirit so to speak unless you go for

1629
01:21:49,790 --> 01:21:45,449
that red light and find yourself

1630
01:21:53,079 --> 01:21:49,800
reincarnated again you know after you

1631
01:21:55,879 --> 01:21:53,089
know you've been deceased for a while

1632
01:21:57,799 --> 01:21:55,889
you your you know your vibrational

1633
01:21:59,859 --> 01:21:57,809
frequency you know shifts and you go

1634
01:22:03,229 --> 01:21:59,869
higher or whatever you'd want to call it

1635
01:22:06,290 --> 01:22:03,239
it's all about freewill we don't we

1636
01:22:08,059 --> 01:22:06,300
aren't made to come back and most people

1637
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:08,069
Souls do not want to come back right

1638
01:22:13,969 --> 01:22:11,489
away be you know what we there's no

1639
01:22:16,609 --> 01:22:13,979
concept of time over there I'll give you

1640
01:22:21,139 --> 01:22:16,619
an example my husband died on the

1641
01:22:27,500 --> 01:22:21,149
Arizona in 1941 and he was reborn in

1642
01:22:30,529 --> 01:22:27,510
1945 so he was reborn quickly and when

1643
01:22:32,899 --> 01:22:30,539
he was reborn he had an absolute fear of

1644
01:22:37,339 --> 01:22:32,909
drowning without ever having the

1645
01:22:39,319 --> 01:22:37,349
experience and so some of that ministry

1646
01:22:42,919 --> 01:22:39,329
matic like that holds over into the next

1647
01:22:44,750 --> 01:22:42,929
lifetime and so you know he says his

1648
01:22:47,629 --> 01:22:44,760
mother said never have slip in the

1649
01:22:51,020 --> 01:22:47,639
bathtub nothing but he's always had that

1650
01:22:53,270 --> 01:22:51,030
absolute fear and then one day one night

1651
01:22:53,989 --> 01:22:53,280
he said to you know he woke up the next

1652
01:22:56,709 --> 01:22:53,999
morning

1653
01:22:59,660 --> 01:22:56,719
listen I've had this dream for the last

1654
01:23:01,459 --> 01:22:59,670
I've had this dream for the last

1655
01:23:04,250 --> 01:23:01,469
three nights in a row it's always the

1656
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:04,260
same he says I'm on the Arizona I'm

1657
01:23:08,030 --> 01:23:05,850
walking through water like you walked

1658
01:23:11,209 --> 01:23:08,040
through air and the big topic of

1659
01:23:14,570 --> 01:23:11,219
conversation is why didn't they come for

1660
01:23:17,209 --> 01:23:14,580
us he said next thing I know I'm on the

1661
01:23:20,030 --> 01:23:17,219
monument and I'm running my finger down

1662
01:23:22,220 --> 01:23:20,040
to find my name he says I find it and

1663
01:23:24,370 --> 01:23:22,230
there wake up you think can you get me a

1664
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:24,380
list to the men that died on the Arizona

1665
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:29,610
and I'm like okay 18 pages later he

1666
01:23:35,450 --> 01:23:32,730
comes he says this is it this is who I

1667
01:23:37,910 --> 01:23:35,460
was this is a man if you can't touch it

1668
01:23:39,919 --> 01:23:37,920
feel it or see it it doesn't exist

1669
01:23:42,939 --> 01:23:39,929
he's an auditor so he's very left

1670
01:23:46,220 --> 01:23:42,949
brained mmm just this is who I was I

1671
01:23:50,090 --> 01:23:46,230
named you know the name that he found

1672
01:23:53,209 --> 01:23:50,100
was Raymond Arthur Ruby I need my son

1673
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:53,219
after my grandfather Ray Arthur Palmer

1674
01:24:01,520 --> 01:23:57,210
huh no such thing as coincidence no no

1675
01:24:03,169 --> 01:24:01,530
not at all well you know when it when it

1676
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:03,179
comes to reincarnation I've often

1677
01:24:11,410 --> 01:24:06,690
wondered because you know like yourself

1678
01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:11,420
it's often talked about how you know the

1679
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:15,360
the level out of the Material Plane is

1680
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:19,890
timeless and when we refer to

1681
01:24:24,020 --> 01:24:21,840
reincarnation we you know we talk about

1682
01:24:29,390 --> 01:24:24,030
past lives and that sort of thing

1683
01:24:34,820 --> 01:24:29,400
but if the after world is timeless are

1684
01:24:37,700 --> 01:24:34,830
we actually experiencing our other lives

1685
01:24:39,919 --> 01:24:37,710
right now at this very moment you know

1686
01:24:43,580 --> 01:24:39,929
there's it's not it's not a past life

1687
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:43,590
it's it's a current life as well just

1688
01:24:48,169 --> 01:24:45,330
the same time as we're living here you

1689
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:48,179
know in the 21st century our souls are

1690
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:50,250
also living in you know the 19th century

1691
01:24:55,010 --> 01:24:53,010
18 you know whatever and you know into

1692
01:24:57,770 --> 01:24:55,020
the future as well

1693
01:25:00,080 --> 01:24:57,780
all of it existing simultaneously you

1694
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:00,090
know I asked that question too because I

1695
01:25:07,550 --> 01:25:02,610
thought you know much the same thing but

1696
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:07,560
they're like no said you can look at the

1697
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:11,489
past and see you know what you did in

1698
01:25:13,170 --> 01:25:12,090
the past

1699
01:25:18,690 --> 01:25:13,180
how you

1700
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:18,700
who you were but you cannot live in the

1701
01:25:24,630 --> 01:25:22,330
past you must progress you know that

1702
01:25:27,420 --> 01:25:24,640
Michael says you must progress you

1703
01:25:30,630 --> 01:25:27,430
cannot stay locked in the past

1704
01:25:32,190 --> 01:25:30,640
he says everything moves forward even

1705
01:25:34,650 --> 01:25:32,200
over here he says everything moves

1706
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:34,660
forward so this is my hundred and thirty

1707
01:25:39,540 --> 01:25:36,330
first life hmm

1708
01:25:43,740 --> 01:25:39,550
so but the thing is you know you learn

1709
01:25:47,580 --> 01:25:43,750
once you cross everything is purged from

1710
01:25:50,460 --> 01:25:47,590
that lifetime except for the experiences

1711
01:25:52,440 --> 01:25:50,470
that you wish to have it's kind of yet

1712
01:25:54,150 --> 01:25:52,450
to figure okay there are certain things

1713
01:25:56,310 --> 01:25:54,160
that are set in stone the time we come

1714
01:25:58,620 --> 01:25:56,320
in the time we leave the method in which

1715
01:26:01,440 --> 01:25:58,630
we leave and what we want to accomplish

1716
01:26:05,190 --> 01:26:01,450
during that time say we want to be born

1717
01:26:08,550 --> 01:26:05,200
on you know November 27th we want to be

1718
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:08,560
a doctor and we want to die you know on

1719
01:26:16,350 --> 01:26:12,730
the 18th of April you know 40 years

1720
01:26:18,090 --> 01:26:16,360
later so all of this happened and I want

1721
01:26:18,630 --> 01:26:18,100
to get hit by a car and that's how I'm

1722
01:26:22,710 --> 01:26:18,640
going to die

1723
01:26:24,570 --> 01:26:22,720
oh yeah but you know we think oh my god

1724
01:26:26,850 --> 01:26:24,580
you know that's gonna hurt but on the

1725
01:26:29,460 --> 01:26:26,860
other side it doesn't equate that way

1726
01:26:32,460 --> 01:26:29,470
it's like no never experience that I

1727
01:26:35,460 --> 01:26:32,470
would like to experience that it's all

1728
01:26:36,900 --> 01:26:35,470
about the experience you know like son

1729
01:26:39,180 --> 01:26:36,910
says I bet you know the secret of life

1730
01:26:42,270 --> 01:26:39,190
and I said yeah I said it's all about

1731
01:26:44,700 --> 01:26:42,280
the experience they want to come back

1732
01:26:47,610 --> 01:26:44,710
and Rehab life doing things they've

1733
01:26:49,890 --> 01:26:47,620
never done before maybe dying of cancer

1734
01:26:52,830 --> 01:26:49,900
maybe just dying of old age and maybe

1735
01:26:57,090 --> 01:26:52,840
having a child maybe you know being an

1736
01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:57,100
opera singer or whatever well that

1737
01:27:04,230 --> 01:27:00,880
brings it brings to mind then is the

1738
01:27:06,710 --> 01:27:04,240
future already determines you know are

1739
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:06,720
we are we living in a block universe

1740
01:27:16,530 --> 01:27:11,760
where the future it's already sets

1741
01:27:18,300 --> 01:27:16,540
certain things are set like with each

1742
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:18,310
individual and certain things that are

1743
01:27:23,430 --> 01:27:22,330
going to happen are known to happen that

1744
01:27:26,140 --> 01:27:23,440
are coming in the future

1745
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:26,150
but personal

1746
01:27:31,530 --> 01:27:29,570
things you know like there is free will

1747
01:27:33,910 --> 01:27:31,540
instead of turning left you turn right

1748
01:27:37,150 --> 01:27:33,920
mister instead of going to the story

1749
01:27:41,500 --> 01:27:37,160
state home now that we do have that

1750
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:41,510
ability to change certain aspects but

1751
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:42,890
like I said the things that are set in

1752
01:27:47,020 --> 01:27:45,650
stone you can't change mmm I'm recommand

1753
01:27:49,630 --> 01:27:47,030
time you leave the method in which you

1754
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:49,640
leave even you know what you want to

1755
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:51,770
accomplish can be changed if you change

1756
01:27:58,120 --> 01:27:54,530
your mind during it but you know that's

1757
01:28:00,640 --> 01:27:58,130
just that's just the way it is we are

1758
01:28:04,330 --> 01:28:00,650
not living in you know certain things

1759
01:28:07,540 --> 01:28:04,340
are fixed in my book of mediums guide to

1760
01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:07,550
the paranormal I was sick one day and my

1761
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:08,960
husband went to the store to get me some

1762
01:28:14,620 --> 01:28:11,690
juice and I had a high fever and God

1763
01:28:17,620 --> 01:28:14,630
says this I'm going to give you some

1764
01:28:19,150 --> 01:28:17,630
information about what's coming and I

1765
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:19,160
want you to write it down so I just

1766
01:28:23,190 --> 01:28:22,730
basically started you know automatic

1767
01:28:26,850 --> 01:28:23,200
writing

1768
01:28:29,950 --> 01:28:26,860
mmm information just came and there's a

1769
01:28:31,780 --> 01:28:29,960
chapter of my book about it talks about

1770
01:28:33,310 --> 01:28:31,790
the things that are coming and one of

1771
01:28:40,290 --> 01:28:33,320
the things about it has already come to

1772
01:28:43,180 --> 01:28:40,300
pass so mmm I have to look for that book

1773
01:28:46,870 --> 01:28:43,190
because right now here in the United

1774
01:28:50,350 --> 01:28:46,880
States it seems to me that things aren't

1775
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:50,360
very pleasant and the future isn't

1776
01:28:54,850 --> 01:28:52,250
looking very pleasant but you know

1777
01:28:56,890 --> 01:28:54,860
hopefully it's just just a phase so to

1778
01:29:03,850 --> 01:28:56,900
say this too shall pass

1779
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:03,860
yeah you talked about the the Archangels

1780
01:29:09,850 --> 01:29:06,890
will Michael and and the other so what

1781
01:29:12,340 --> 01:29:09,860
exactly is an archangel an archangel is

1782
01:29:15,850 --> 01:29:12,350
someone who has progressed to the

1783
01:29:19,330 --> 01:29:15,860
highest level outside of you know the

1784
01:29:22,210 --> 01:29:19,340
God consciousness mm-hmm and they have

1785
01:29:24,910 --> 01:29:22,220
lived for hundreds of thousands of years

1786
01:29:27,430 --> 01:29:24,920
and they have a lot of knowledge a lot

1787
01:29:31,150 --> 01:29:27,440
of experience there are certain ones

1788
01:29:35,550 --> 01:29:31,160
that are basically the elite ones and

1789
01:29:38,919 --> 01:29:35,560
that's Michael and Gabriel Raphael

1790
01:29:41,620 --> 01:29:38,929
Ezekiel and Ariel

1791
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:41,630
and these ones are what they called

1792
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:44,330
avenging angels they were also demon

1793
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:47,690
Slayers and when I die to my motorcycle

1794
01:29:54,189 --> 01:29:51,770
accident Michael said you know this this

1795
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:54,199
is who you are you are areally Archangel

1796
01:29:59,080 --> 01:29:56,570
you were sent back to relive mortal

1797
01:30:02,290 --> 01:29:59,090
lives until you learn to have compassion

1798
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:02,300
for mankind because you had no

1799
01:30:06,780 --> 01:30:04,370
compassion you've been a here so long

1800
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:06,790
you forgot how to care about people

1801
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:10,690
there's a guest in the 1700s she was

1802
01:30:16,810 --> 01:30:13,489
removing a demon from a living woman and

1803
01:30:18,220 --> 01:30:16,820
the woman died and God said do you know

1804
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:18,230
what this isn't the first time this

1805
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:20,570
happened you don't care that the body

1806
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:22,489
died you don't care that the person died

1807
01:30:27,700 --> 01:30:25,730
so you need to go back and relive mortal

1808
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:27,710
life that's why it's so easy for me to

1809
01:30:32,830 --> 01:30:30,170
remove demons within a matter of minutes

1810
01:30:35,770 --> 01:30:32,840
because of what come what's inside of me

1811
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:35,780
and people say that when she comes

1812
01:30:41,020 --> 01:30:38,330
forward I'm able to pull her forward

1813
01:30:43,649 --> 01:30:41,030
then my face changes my eyes go white

1814
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:43,659
and my face changes and my voice changes

1815
01:30:48,250 --> 01:30:46,370
but I don't you know I don't see that

1816
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:48,260
because I'm busy removing things

1817
01:30:54,910 --> 01:30:51,530
mm-hmm and you know doesn't matter to me

1818
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:54,920
matters to me is helping the people you

1819
01:30:59,800 --> 01:30:56,810
know if I can remove the demons and I'm

1820
01:31:03,340 --> 01:30:59,810
back where they need to go and help the

1821
01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:03,350
families then that's what I do all right

1822
01:31:07,649 --> 01:31:05,449
well we asked about the Archangels what

1823
01:31:12,399 --> 01:31:07,659
about what about demons what are demons

1824
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:12,409
demons demons are you have to understand

1825
01:31:16,330 --> 01:31:13,850
where they came from they they were

1826
01:31:18,970 --> 01:31:16,340
white angels at one time mm-hmm

1827
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:18,980
there's just you know you talk about

1828
01:31:23,050 --> 01:31:20,090
people talking about the war between

1829
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:23,060
heaven and hell what happened was we had

1830
01:31:29,290 --> 01:31:26,330
more we had physical bodies before you

1831
01:31:32,260 --> 01:31:29,300
know so long ago and in a different

1832
01:31:35,890 --> 01:31:32,270
galaxy we were you know had physical

1833
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:35,900
bodies but we all evolved as after time

1834
01:31:41,649 --> 01:31:38,330
we all evolved and we traveled the known

1835
01:31:44,740 --> 01:31:41,659
universe and everything around seed did

1836
01:31:47,500 --> 01:31:44,750
everything observed everything and then

1837
01:31:49,750 --> 01:31:47,510
it came to a point where some of them

1838
01:31:52,299 --> 01:31:49,760
said you know we really want to have

1839
01:31:54,819 --> 01:31:52,309
children again we want to

1840
01:31:55,959 --> 01:31:54,829
experience physical love you know a

1841
01:31:59,169 --> 01:31:55,969
physical life

1842
01:32:00,849 --> 01:31:59,179
we're tired of traveling and and not

1843
01:32:03,569 --> 01:32:00,859
have really not having a life of our own

1844
01:32:07,449 --> 01:32:03,579
and then there arose a division between

1845
01:32:09,399 --> 01:32:07,459
you know the souls yet one side said no

1846
01:32:13,149 --> 01:32:09,409
way we don't want to be subject to

1847
01:32:15,279 --> 01:32:13,159
growing old having pain dying none of

1848
01:32:17,859 --> 01:32:15,289
that stuff cancer disease we don't want

1849
01:32:22,779 --> 01:32:17,869
it so that's what caused the war and

1850
01:32:26,049 --> 01:32:22,789
when Michael disarmed Lucifer and Ariel

1851
01:32:28,209 --> 01:32:26,059
disarmed his son yeah God told him

1852
01:32:30,579 --> 01:32:28,219
you're gonna give you exactly what you

1853
01:32:34,959 --> 01:32:30,589
want you're never gonna be able to have

1854
01:32:36,639 --> 01:32:34,969
physical form again and but you will

1855
01:32:38,199 --> 01:32:36,649
live in darkness mm-hmm

1856
01:32:40,419 --> 01:32:38,209
and they were good with that at first

1857
01:32:42,099 --> 01:32:40,429
they were like we don't care we don't

1858
01:32:44,709 --> 01:32:42,109
even wanna you know be doing that stuff

1859
01:32:47,919 --> 01:32:44,719
but over the centuries like a little

1860
01:32:50,559 --> 01:32:47,929
upset and pissy and started obsessing

1861
01:32:52,750 --> 01:32:50,569
about well you know if the white light

1862
01:32:55,599 --> 01:32:52,760
souls are coming and living physical

1863
01:32:57,969 --> 01:32:55,609
body in physical bodies they have

1864
01:32:59,889 --> 01:32:57,979
they're weak so that's where we're going

1865
01:33:03,429 --> 01:32:59,899
to attack them we're gonna make their

1866
01:33:08,859 --> 01:33:03,439
life a living hell and so that's what

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they try to do so is is there is there

1868
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no hope for them because I mean you know

1869
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here in that that makes me kind of sad

1870
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you know to think that they're there you

1871
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know that here's these souls that you

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01:33:21,429 --> 01:33:19,369
know are possibly forever in darkness

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01:33:25,119 --> 01:33:21,439
you know doing bad things

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no because as you're Oh had voluntarily

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with an archangel I still is he

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volunteered him and twelve others

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volunteered to go to the entrance of the

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darkness and stay there and be vigilant

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for those who wish to come back to the

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light and if they want to come back to

1881
01:33:50,709 --> 01:33:47,899
the light you know they'll go before God

1882
01:33:52,689 --> 01:33:50,719
and he'll make the judgment and if he

1883
01:33:54,129 --> 01:33:52,699
finds it there that they're worthy of

1884
01:33:56,619 --> 01:33:54,139
coming back to the light then he'll let

1885
01:34:00,429 --> 01:33:56,629
them come back they're not stuck there

1886
01:34:04,540 --> 01:34:00,439
forever but they have to mean it and

1887
01:34:05,540 --> 01:34:04,550
they have to you know believe that they

1888
01:34:07,610 --> 01:34:05,550
need that they are

1889
01:34:10,490 --> 01:34:07,620
changing you know they want a change and

1890
01:34:13,660 --> 01:34:10,500
he'll take them before God and so

1891
01:34:16,850 --> 01:34:13,670
there's always somebody there for them

1892
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:16,860
all right Jun well we only have about

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two minutes left in tonight's program

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01:34:25,430 --> 01:34:22,500
time always flies why don't you let our

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01:34:27,980 --> 01:34:25,440
audience know where they can find out

1896
01:34:31,220 --> 01:34:27,990
more about you and where they can find

1897
01:34:34,940 --> 01:34:31,230
your books um you can find my books on

1898
01:34:37,750 --> 01:34:34,950
amazon.com if you look up Jun Lundgren

1899
01:34:42,830 --> 01:34:37,760
you'll you'll find all eight of them and

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01:34:48,530 --> 01:34:42,840
my website is mystic connections that o

1901
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:48,540
RG or you can also type in demon seer

1902
01:34:54,110 --> 01:34:51,090
calm and it'll bring you to the same one

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01:34:56,590 --> 01:34:54,120
and you can contact me there you can

1904
01:34:59,780 --> 01:34:56,600
also you know schedule a reading or

1905
01:35:02,120 --> 01:34:59,790
animal communication or you know if you

1906
01:35:03,530 --> 01:35:02,130
need help with a negative entity or

1907
01:35:07,790 --> 01:35:03,540
something like that you can contact me

1908
01:35:11,510 --> 01:35:07,800
as well mm-hmm all right and I guess

1909
01:35:14,450 --> 01:35:11,520
that just just recently you were on

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01:35:15,950 --> 01:35:14,460
Ghost Adventures that aired in the

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01:35:18,140 --> 01:35:15,960
middle of October of what was those

1912
01:35:21,140 --> 01:35:18,150
episodes called it was it was a

1913
01:35:24,590 --> 01:35:21,150
four-part special called graveyards of

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01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:24,600
the Pacific mine was the graveyards of

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01:35:30,860 --> 01:35:27,210
the Pacific it was the nor bled hostile

1916
01:35:32,300 --> 01:35:30,870
and I was I was with the Ghost

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01:35:34,820 --> 01:35:32,310
Adventures crew on that

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01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:34,830
all right well and I know that those

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01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:38,490
will be repeated ad infinitum so we'll

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01:35:42,290 --> 01:35:40,290
have to watch for that all right well

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01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:42,300
we're gonna have to wrap up the program

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01:35:48,620 --> 01:35:45,330
so Thank You June thank you Karen

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01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:48,630
thank you Tim Tina Peter and everyone

1924
01:35:57,260 --> 01:35:51,810
else you've been listening to Tim you're

1925
01:35:58,970 --> 01:35:57,270
still there so muscle alright well we're

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01:36:02,120 --> 01:35:58,980
gonna have to move now because the show

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01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:02,130
is over so good night everyone taking my

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01:36:12,919 --> 01:36:08,870
you've been listening to exploring the

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01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:12,929
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